Reparative Therapy/ Brainwashing

[dfiant]

The debate has finally reached Australia. I have been aware of this issue since 2005 when I media storm ran over this issue when a gay teen on Myspace was forced into Reparative therapy by his avangelic father.

The program was 'Love In Action' ran by Exodus and the faithful 'Ex-Gays'.

When the Zack Stark story surfaced in 2005, not only was I truely gutted that this was being fornce onto someone so young, but upon research discovered how deeply Exodus and the many like them have penetrated every country you can poke a stick at. I am disgusted that we even breathe the same air as the decrepid creatures, let alone have our respective governments FUND these C***s.

Anyway, here is a back ground of the Zach Stark story to refresh some peoples memories, followed by a story that has just appeared in Australian newspapers today, 7 years after the rest of the world knew of this issue.

If you aren't sure, run a search on 'Exodus' and I'll guarntee that their slimey tentacles are somewhere in your country.

Gay Teenager Stirs a Storm ([Only registered and activated users can see links])

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What is 'Love In Action'? ([Only registered and activated users can see links])

Truth Wins Out - Zach Stark ([Only registered and activated users can see links])

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Australian News - Christian groups try to cure homosexuality ([Only registered and activated users can see links])

[Bowyn Aerrow]

Sadly a lot of gays do not want to be gay and gladly fall into this trap.

I have had run ins with LGBT who have gone through this sort of "therapy" (Pray away the Gay) type programs and some swear by these programs, finding a new lease on life as well as a 'family oriented, God Loving walk with Jesus'.

The worst ones coming out of these programs the ones who are really messed up emotionally and mentally are those who being teens were forced into these programs by 'caring' parents who couldn't tolerate their kid being - you 'that way'.

The parents actually believe they are doing a service for their kid - after all who wants their child to burn in hell for all eternity? :rolleyes: Those gays who elect to go into these things are full of self loathing of their LGBT aspect because society has preached that they are sinners, bound for hell with no redemption for their wicked 'choice' in life.

For years I argued with men and women in the clergy (many denominations involved in this) that this sort of thing was not curing anything and only making matters worse - especially when you see a gay man marrying a lesbian that they met in one of these cultist groups both claiming to be happy to have found 'true' love - blah, blah, blah.

I thought that this was predominately a USA issue as we are the most 'religious' of the Western Nations - the rest of you seemingly becoming atheists and agnostics (that's that socialism in you, you see - ask any Republican).

I was aware that there were 'international outreach' programs to help cure the socialist nations of their gay problem, I wasn't aware that it had gotten this prolific.

Of course these programs work best in the shadows. When confronted with the light of reason or media attention they used to scurry off like roaches when you turn on a light.

[Sceak]

It's a terrible, frightening idea.

[Genersis]

Sadly a lot of gays do not want to be gay and gladly fall into this trap.

I have had run ins with LGBT who have gone through this sort of "therapy" (Pray away the Gay) type programs and some swear by these programs, finding a new lease on life as well as a 'family oriented, God Loving walk with Jesus'.

Sometimes it's more than pray away the gay though isn't it?:confused:
Like convincing them their dad(if gay) or mum(If lesbian) has faild them as role models and for them to release their anger and negative feelings towards them.
You know.
Therapy based on the old stereotype of homosexuals having a distant father/mother.:frown:

Who knows, maybe where i heard of this, it was a rare isolated case...

The worst ones coming out of these programs the ones who are really messed up emotionally and mentally are those who being teens were forced into these programs by 'caring' parents who couldn't tolerate their kid being - you 'that way'.
Very appropriate use of '.

The parents actually believe they are doing a service for their kid - after all who wants their child to burn in hell for all eternity? :rolleyes: Those gays who elect to go into these things are full of self loathing of their LGBT aspect because society has preached that they are sinners, bound for hell with no redemption for their wicked 'choice' in life.
It's really sad that the parents can't see the cruelness of their actions.
But judging by how religious folk view homosexuality, they probably see it no different than sending their kid to alcohol or drug rehab. Which is doubly sad in a way...

It really irks me how blind some religious people can be to the damage and harm spreading their "truth" can be.

For years I argued with men and women in the clergy (many denominations involved in this) that this sort of thing was not curing anything and only making matters worse - especially when you see a gay man marrying a lesbian that they met in one of these cultist groups both claiming to be happy to have found 'true' love - blah, blah, blah.
I doubt you made much ground.:frown:
And yeah, most of those couples are either: bisexual, lying, or for an extremely rare minority, actually changed.

I thought that this was predominately a USA issue as we are the most 'religious' of the Western Nations - the rest of you seemingly becoming atheists and agnostics (that's that socialism in you, you see - ask any Republican).
What does being against monarchic rule have to do with this?;)
Most US conservatives have no idea what socialism is.
Case and point:
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I was aware that there were 'international outreach' programs to help cure the socialist nations of their gay problem, I wasn't aware that it had gotten this prolific.
Well it's still a non-issue in the UK at least.(well...i haven't heard anything.)
But Australia seems more politically conservative than the UK from what i've seen.

Of course these programs work best in the shadows. When confronted with the light of reason or media attention they used to scurry off like roaches when you turn on a light.
Well that's what happens when they use stereotypes and dated research to base their therapy on.

It saddens me that people still think Ex-gay ministries are ever the right thing to send Children to though, let alone people in general:frown::
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[dfiant]

Well it's still a non-issue in the UK at least.(well...i haven't heard anything.)



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Like I said, Exodus and Exodus LIKE ministries and reparative therapy have their slimy tenticles in every country.

But Australia seems more politically conservative than the UK from what i've seen.

And then you make a comment like....

Well that's what happens when they use stereotypes

[Genersis]

I said: "...from what i've seen."
I only stated an opinion from what i've seen and experienced relative to the UK.

I asserted nothing as fact.

[Jay125]

I didn't even bother clicking on the links.


The way I see it is there some desperately unhappy gays out there looking for something to cling to, a niche, if you like, I personally can't get my head round it but I don't condemn them.
We live in a pretty fucked up world and people will always take advantage of other people, it's just a way of life now and has almost become acceptable. :frown:

I like to think I am a stable kinda gay and rise above it all and try not let it bother me.

[Beaux]

The entire thing makes me want to vomit.

[pellaz]

end result out of the therapy is the x gay has reduced ability to express any type of sexual preference, gay or straight.

rember around 2011 they had an iPhone app that apple finally removed

[Jay125]

rember around 2011 they had an iPhone app that apple finally removed


REALLY! I didn't know that....WOW

[mrk2010]

Wow it's rather a rough read, although I have been getting into more of the brainwashing and conspiracy type stuff lately so I can spot it a bit more.

[Rainbowmum]

Heart breaking , how dare they destroy these kids.
This really makes sick,

[Puck]

I find the idea of some misguided religious nut tampering with the very fabric of my mind and emotional outlook one of the most horrifying things I can imagine.

To deny someone's free will in accordance with what you feel is morally just is beyond evil...beyond vile.....I'm not a violent person under normal circumstances...but I would LOVE the chance to be alone in a room with several of these religious piles of dung...to "rehabilitate them" on my terms...I promise they would not be pleasant ones either.

As someone who has had rehabilitative therapy suggested to him by a number of people I thought loved me for who I was....I have a personal vendetta against any supporter of it....I only thank my lucky stars I was never actually inducted into one of these Nazi camps.

But yes...this is one of the reasons why I HATE religion, especially Christianity and I feel sorry for any innocent who is a victim of these monsters.

[BabyPolarBear]

Every person that goes to a Ex-gay this that or the other is faking it.
look at 3:00 in the vid as a visual representation
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[monk]

I find the idea of some misguided religious nut tampering with the very fabric of my mind and emotional outlook one of the most horrifying things I can imagine.

To deny someone's free will in accordance with what you feel is morally just is beyond evil...beyond vile.....I'm not a violent person under normal circumstances...but I would LOVE the chance to be alone in a room with several of these religious piles of dung...to "rehabilitate them" on my terms...I promise they would not be pleasant ones either.

As someone who has had rehabilitative therapy suggested to him by a number of people I thought loved me for who I was....I have a personal vendetta against any supporter of it....I only thank my lucky stars I was never actually inducted into one of these Nazi camps.

But yes...this is one of the reasons why I HATE religion, especially Christianity and I feel sorry for any innocent who is a victim of these monsters.



To be fair, I don't remember Jesus preaching this kind of shit.

[dfiant]

Every person that goes to a Ex-gay this that or the other is faking it.
look at 3:00 in the vid as a visual representation
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I don't know if it is faking it as much as repressing it

[Pix]

To be fair, I don't remember Jesus preaching this kind of shit.

No, but the Bible does, including in the NT, and the Bible is the “word of God” (who is also Jesus).

Also, while I think it's reaching to call it a definition, Jesus did assume a man and woman in marriage in Matthew 19: 3-6, which many antigay Christians love to quote.

Of course most of those same Christian (there are a few exceptions) happily overlook Matthew 19: 9 when it comes to heterosexual divorce (that is, divorce for any other reason than sex outside of marriage means the divorce is not valid and any sex, including marriage, after is adultery in the eyes of God).

Normally I don't think Christianity (and other religions) matter that much, people will be people in both good & bad ways while rationalizing themselves. However, religion does seem to be a major cause for oppression and even violence against gays. As just one lesser example nearly every ad promoting Prop 8 in California (and the reasons the vast majority gave for why they voted for it) included the words God, Jesus, and/or the Bible in it. Had it not been for Christianity Prop 8 would not have passed, and I doubt it would've even been an issue that made it on the ballot.

[Macedonian]

I saw psychologyst in Macedonia and talked about my issue, my gayness and social anxiety, that kind of stuff. She told me that being gay is wrond and talking to her will cure me. She said that in my age (I'm 16 ) people don't know if they're gay or straight and that this is just a phase. Now I started questioning my sexual orientation, earlier I was 100% sure I am lesbian, but now I don't know.

[Pix]

Did your parents hire this psychologist? (Conversely, did the church put her up to it?) Because if so she'll say what she's paid to say. She's selling a service to your parents (and/or church), not to you.

And btw, when I identified as bisexual at 17 many also told me it was just a phase, and even some people who didn't like gays were willing to shrug off my bisexuality as they figured in a year or two I'd settle with some nice man and start raising babies.

Ironically, they were right in that my bisexuality was just a phase (and I suspect most of my attraction to men was more curiosity than genuine attraction)...just more in the "bi now, gay later" way than the way they thought.

[Macedonian]

Hmm... no actually in Macedonia in books on colleges homosexuality is disease, and they learn that. The church also has influence a lot in macedonian society and it is sad because it is really homophobic country and we have no rights here...