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Israel city unveils gay Holocaust victims memorial

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Flowers are placed on a monument honoring gays and lesbians persecuted by the Nazis during World War II for their sexual orientation and gender identity, In Tel Aviv, Israel, Friday, Jan. 10, 2014. The landmark joins similar memorials in Berlin, Amsterdam, Sydney and San Francisco dedicated to gay victims of the Holocaust. While Israel has scores of monuments for the genocide, the Tel Aviv memorial is the first that deals universally with Jewish and non-Jewish victims alike. (AP Photo/Oded Balilty)





TEL AVIV, Israel (AP) — Israel's cultural and financial capital unveiled a memorial Friday honoring gays and lesbians persecuted by the Nazis, the first specific recognition in Israel for non-Jewish victims of the Holocaust.
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Tucked away in a Tel Aviv park, a concrete, triangle-shaped plaque details the plight of lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender people under Adolf Hitler's Third Reich. It resembles the pink triangles Nazis forced gays to wear in concentration camps during World War II and states in English, Hebrew and German: "In memory of those persecuted by the Nazi regime for their sexual orientation and gender identity."
The landmark joins similar memorials in Amsterdam, Berlin, San Francisco and Sydney dedicated to gay victims of the Holocaust. While Israel has scores of monuments for the genocide, the Tel Aviv memorial is the first that deals universally with Jewish and non-Jewish victims alike and highlights the Jewish state's rise as one of the world's most progressive countries for gay rights.
"I think in Israel today it is very important to show that a human being is a human being is a human being," Mayor Ron Huldai said at the dedication ceremony, where a rainbow flag waved alongside Israel's blue-and-white flag. "It shows that we are not only caring for ourselves but for everybody who suffered. These are our values — to see everyone as a human being."
Israel was born out of the Holocaust and its 6 million Jewish victims remains seared in the country's psyche. Israel holds an annual memorial day where sirens stop traffic across the nation, it sends soldiers and youth on trips to concentration camp sites and often cites the Holocaust as justification for an independent Jewish state so Jews will "never again" be defenseless.
But after 70 years, Tel Aviv councilman Eran Lev thought it was time to add a universal element to the commemoration. Lev is one of many gays elected to public office in Tel Aviv, a city with a vibrant gay scene that has emerged as a top international destination for gay tourism.
"The significance here is that we are recognizing that there were other victims of the Holocaust, not just Jews," said Lev, who initiated the project during his brief term in office.
As part of their persecution of gays, the Nazis kept files on 100,000 people, mostly men. About 15,000 were sent to camps and at least half were killed. Other Nazi targets included communists, Slavs, gypsies and Jehovah's Witnesses.
Unlike their persecution of Jews, however, there was no grand Nazi plan to exterminate gays. Nazis viewed being gay as a "public health problem" since those German men did not produce children, said Deborah Dwork, director of the Strassler Family Center for Holocaust and Genocide Studies at Clark University in Worcester, Mass.
"The idea was to change their behavior, not to eradicate them, not to murder them," Dwork said.
The policy was far from sweeping — as evidenced by the rampant homosexuality among the ranks of the Nazi Party's SA paramilitary wing, which helped pave Hitler's path to power. The most famous gay Nazi was Ernst Röhm, one of the most powerful men in the party before Hitler had him executed in 1934.
Later, the Nazis outlawed homosexuality and the Gestapo set up a special unit targeting homosexuality. In the Buchenwald concentration camp, the Nazis carried out experiments to try and "cure" homosexuality. Those sent to the camps were forced to wear pink triangles, compared to the yellow stars that Jews bore on their clothing. Gay Jews wore an emblem that combined the two colors.
Today, Israel is one of the world's most progressive countries in terms of gay rights. Gays serve openly in Israel's military and parliament. The Supreme Court grants a variety of family rights such as inheritance and survivors' benefits. Gays, lesbians and a transsexual are among the country's most popular musicians and actors.
Moshe Zimmermann, a professor from the Hebrew University of Jerusalem and the memorial project's historical adviser, said the Tel Aviv monument marked a big step in Israel by ridding itself from what he called a monopoly of victimhood.
"We are finally shedding the load of being the lone and ultimate victim," he said. "We can learn from this that by recognizing the victimhood of others, it does not diminish the uniqueness of your own victimhood."
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not as much as Jewish folks, but surely Nazis where keen to get rid of the "thrash" of society, gypsies, LGBTs, etc..

a fine recognition, long time needed...

it's curious that a country that's usually in constant struggle makes the most progressive acts..

what I don't know is how exactly the society get on with this progressive thinking, Israel is fairly traditionalist
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I saw that annual memorial day when all the traffic stops on a documentary, its quite something… not anything like it anywhere else.

Well im pleased Israel acknowledge other victims…

There was this jewish girl, 20-ish and there was a conersation about the holocaust, she said "its worse for me because im jewish"

That is utter utter crap…

Not only were 5 million non-jews killed another 40 million died in WWII…

Yet a 20 yo girl, who probably doesnt have a deep understanding of the unspeakable events, she was not there to witness them.

What i mean to say, the nazis were tried for "crimes against humanity" not "crimes against jews" or "crimes against gays"

Though i agreed with roosevelt and stalin that most of the nazis should of been shot outright
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partis Wrote:Though i agreed with roosevelt and stalin that most of the nazis should of been shot outright

instead of letting them take cianide pills..the f*ckers

Alas, a trial is probably better in the eyes of the people..

But well, it's been left behind as an example of "what to not let happen again"
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southbiochem Wrote:But well, it's been left behind as an example of "what to not let happen again"

Yes but i think they done that well themselves, and they filmed it better, those nuremberg films are unwatchable. Nobody really thinks of it today, they think of the images the nazis themselves took.
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Just remember "If history always repeats itself, and the unexpected always happens, how incapable must man be from learning from past mistakes" Jim
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