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Unread 11th November 2011   #1
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Default 'Burly' straight guy has accident goes into a coma and wakes up gay?

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Gonna be honest that is pretty insane. What do you think?
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Sounds insane.
I have read about people changing sexual orientation after a heart transplant.
 
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If you believe homosexuality is part of your genetic makeup than this story is bs. This kid was either gay from birth or went off the deep end mentally and adopted a "gay similar" lifestyle. It's seems impossible that your brain can be "rewired" so that anyone can be "transformed" from gay to straight or vice versa. But then again I'm not a doctor or psychologist.
 
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I did read this in the dail;y star and i must admit he must be gay all along but unable to show it until after this episode where he can be gay and say a coma did it....

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Oh Please ,what a load of Bovine Scat.
If we are going to get to the bottom of this then let us analyse this with logical reasoning.
Lex parsimoniae and the simplest answer is blame it on the male nurses that gave him a sponge bath.
Sorry could not resist .

The man was always gay , but that far in the closet that he reached Narnia.
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Oh Please ,what a load of Bovine Scat.
If we are going to get to the bottom of this then let us analyse this with logical reasoning.
Lex parsimoniae and the simplest answer is blame it on the male nurses that gave him a sponge bath.
Sorry could not resist .

The man was always gay , but that far in the closet that he reached Narnia.

Yes we certainly need to get to the bottom of it...!
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To be honest it is totally plausible, when a person has a stroke certain neural pathways of the brain can shutdown whilst also forming new connections. There are other stories about people who have had strokes who have "gained" new abilities, one guy imparticular turned into a bit of a picasso and could find he could paint amazingly without prior training. One woman woke up with a japanese accent eventhough she was broad scottish before her stroke. Another woman ended up with a jamaican accent. We only use a small part of our brains and we don't really undertsand it that well so who knows? If anything just think of the positive implications, if this guy did have a stroke and it "made him gay" it only emphasises that homosexuality is perfectly natural and it is wired into the brain inheritidly into everyone. So I'm of the opinion it totally is possible and wish the guy all the best, to be honest I think him being happy and finding partner a good thing, I think alot of people could be traumatised after such an event and he seems to have handled it well. The brain is a strange thing.
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While my gut would like to pass this off and say 'Hey he was gay anyway, he just had a near death experience and decided to come out.'

But then the logical part of me, the part that has collected trivial data over the years says, hold on, similar things have happened before.

There is a guy who hit his head, got just one concussion. He NEVER played piano before in his life, now he does, and he sees music all the time, and he hears music all the time.

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If you know how concussions work and how they send through a burst of neural activity at the time of the injury, then the connection between being hit on the head and having a stroke becomes clearer. Strokes also send a similar burst of neural activity.

In both cases neurons burn out, the brain rewires itself in subtle ways. In one case a man becomes a pianist, in another... well he turned gay.

The brain is the least understood organ in the human body. It still defies logic in many ways.

No there is no gay gene. There is also no straight gene. Stop looking at the genes. yes you may still stare at jeans, just leave genes out of the equation.

All of the more recent studies point at factors that take place in the womb, hormonal, chemical changes in mom while the fetus is developing leading to brain structures that are slightly different in ways we do not clearly understand.

This is why one brother sharing the same genetic code with the other can be born straight, while the other is gay. What went on inside of mom during pregnancy is setting the stage.

Thus it is a brain thing, in the case of this one man, we have an indicator that the brain can be rewired, changing a persons sexual preference. In the rest of us, the brain was wired before we were born.
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Thank you for the links Bowyn Aerrow .
That is totaly amazing ,I humbly apologise for my cynicism and criticism.
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This was very weird, I have a lot of questions for the guy, it's like something so innate come out after such a tragic experience doesn't make it so unbelievable, but then considering that being gay is not a skill one acquires or tap into, it certainly merits the weird factor.
 
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If you believe homosexuality is part of your genetic makeup than this story is bs. This kid was either gay from birth or went off the deep end mentally and adopted a "gay similar" lifestyle. It's seems impossible that your brain can be "rewired" so that anyone can be "transformed" from gay to straight or vice versa. But then again I'm not a doctor or psychologist.
It's not that simple, your genes and your environment contribute to producing your sexual orientation, and your culture and life experiences will effect how you conceptualize your sexual identity. After all, a culture without a conception of gay identity, can't express gay identity in the same way we do, even if same sex sexual desires exist in the population.

What I'm trying to say is that just because your brain can be "rewired" to change your orientation, does not mean that genes do not play a part in determining sexual orientation. In fact, I actually think it reinforces the idea of a physiologically determined sexual attraction.

It's difficult to map how all these things (genes, pre-natal environment, early childhood experiences, neurophysiology, and culture) work together to not only produce the phenomena of sexuality, but also our personal subjective understandings of that phenomena.

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All of the more recent studies point at factors that take place in the womb, hormonal, chemical changes in mom while the fetus is developing leading to brain structures that are slightly different in ways we do not clearly understand.

This is why one brother sharing the same genetic code with the other can be born straight, while the other is gay. What went on inside of mom during pregnancy is setting the stage.

Thus it is a brain thing, in the case of this one man, we have an indicator that the brain can be rewired, changing a persons sexual preference. In the rest of us, the brain was wired before we were born.
We have to be cautious to avoid being overly reductionist in either direction. It isn't as simple as it being the pre-natal environment, thus not genetic. After all, what is determining the environment of the womb? Also, we are presented with the problem of genes not having a direct 1 to 1 relationship to phenotype, a gene can be expressed in multiple ways, depending on what other genes it is co-expressed with and the environment. Long story short, it's complicated, like all human behavior, and there's a lot of stuff at play in all of it.

Personally, I think the search for a "gay gene" as a matter of naturalizing homosexuality is problematic from a perspective of social liberty. Why should we care what is natural? Do we ask whether or not it is natural to prefer pepsi to coke? It all seems to go back to an archaic argument of disability, where we are expected to think of being gay as an unfortunate result of fate, so we should tolerate it in the way we tolerate and pity someone with Down's syndrome.

The fact of the matter is that even if gay were a choice, it wouldn't be anyone's business, and there would still be no legitimate reason to moralize it. Look at other societies that have conceptualized of sexuality differently. The Roman Republic viewed sex as act of dominance and submission, thus they allowed sex between men, but only if the bottom was not a citizen. So, if you were a citizen of Rome you were expected as a proper man not to be dominated, but otherwise all sex acts were moral. For the Athenians, it was a matter of excess and control, if you could control your sexual acts, that is make sure you produced offspring and didn't overly indulge in same sex acts, then that was permissible. These kinds of sexual moralities are somewhat alien to us, but they aren't that far off from modern Western values. If we step out of the West, we can find many different ways of thinking about sex that are completely different from how we think of it. These preoccupation with naturalizing sex is a modern Western preoccupation that we should look at as arising from arbitrary biases.
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Am I the only one who thought it was weird how he was so gung-ho about it? I'm sure it wasn't that sudden but the way the article was written...

Anyways, one part of me just thinks that this is just a crazy way to come-out and "blame" it on a stroke while the other part thinks it's plausible since I believe orientation is determined by the brain. I wonder if they can do a CT scan or something and compare it to a heterosexual and homosexual man's?
 
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One question id like to ask everyone is.... God forbid but what if we had a stroke and suddenly went straight??? Saying goodbye to your partner to be with the oppisite sex??? How horrible would that feel which makes me sympathise with the lad whos gone gay as he had a girlfriend and was getting married and now......... Its cancelled!

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Well I think he just got the perfect excuse to come out of closet.
 
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