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#81
Tyler Wrote:I believe that yes the bible was written by man, but man was inspired by God prior to writing it.

You do realise that INSPIRED is really just another word for INTERPRETTED???

The bible is not GODs word, it is merely a novel that humans have written to justify their abhorrent behaviour by turning around and saying 'But God said so, it is written in the bible.'

Use your brain which is a gift given to you to use, not to depend and rely on other people/deities to make decisions for you and tell you what you should believe and how you should behave or you will just a sad old man laying on your death bed wishing that when you were 20 you could have learned how to love yourself for who you are and allow yourself to be the persona that you naturally are...because right now you are going against your very own nature.

It's sort of like being given a dishwasher but continuing to hand wash your dishes in the sink...it's makes you look rather silly if you don't use your dishwasher (BRAIN)
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#82
in·spired [in-spahyuhrd] Show IPA
adjective
1.
aroused, animated, or imbued with the spirit to do something, by or as if by supernatural or divine influence: an inspired poet.

2.
resulting from such inspiration: an inspired poem; an inspired plan.
3.
inhaled: inspired air.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/inspired

It's not another word for interpret.

Also the bible is God's word.

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

https://www.youversion.com/bible/59/jhn.1.esv
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#83
Tyler Wrote:Also the bible is God's word.

Every time I see/hear this phrase it makes me want to slam my head against a brick wall. The bible and all other religious texts is what man is telling us what "God's word" is, I can easily go write something and get it mass produced before telling the world this is "God's word".........
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#84
Tyler Wrote:John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

https://www.youversion.com/bible/59/jhn.1.esv

If the word was God, then wouldn't that mean that the Bible is God's word?
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#85
Tyler Wrote:in·spired [in-spahyuhrd] Show IPA
adjective
1.
aroused, animated, or imbued with the spirit to do something, by or as if by supernatural or divine influence: an inspired poet.

2.
resulting from such inspiration: an inspired poem; an inspired plan.
3.
inhaled: inspired air.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/inspired

It's not another word for interpret.

Also the bible is God's word.

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

https://www.youversion.com/bible/59/jhn.1.esv

No it isn't....It is a human being who is 'inspired' to 'Interpret' gods word to write a novel.

See how Inspire and Interpret can have a similar meaning? It is not written by God himself therefore it cannot be God's word.

God being a part of you, then gods word is in your heart not a fucking novel.

Use your Brain, it is your gift, it is your dishwasher.

People are going to turn from trying to help you to laughing at you shortly because you are so obstinate. You ask for advice, take it or fuck off Wink
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#86
dfiant Wrote:No it isn't....It is a human being who is 'inspired' to 'Interpret' gods word to write a novel.
This makes no sense. You make it sound as if someone was inspired to interpret God's word (Meaning God's word exist) in a way they could write a novel based off of God's word.

dfiant Wrote:See how Inspire and Interpret can have a similar meaning?
No, not trying to be mean but I can't see how they have similar meanings. They are not even synonyms.

dfiant Wrote: It is not written by God himself therefore it cannot be God's word.
You do not have to write something yourself for it to be your word. You really only have to speak it for it to be your word.

dfiant Wrote:God being a part of you, then gods word is in your heart not a fucking novel.

God's word isn't a novel, and it is in my heart.


dfiant Wrote:Use your Brain, it is your gift, it is your dishwasher.

I do use my brain it is a gift. A gift from God. And I am not so sure what you mean by it is my dishwasher.

dfiant Wrote:People are going to turn from trying to help you to laughing at you shortly because you are so obstinate. You ask for advice, take it or fuck off Wink

It is very possible that this may happen. I hope it doesn't. I know I probably am being obstinate (not on purpose), but I am reading everyones advice, and trying to take it to heart. Also I am praying about what they have said. However this is a very serious matter for me and I shouldn't and will not take it light heartedly. This issue could very well hold my soul in the balance of spending my eternity in Hell or in Heaven. For me that is a very very very serious matter.

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I know we have differences, but I just want to say that I am thankful for the advice I have been given here, and I hope God bless everyone on this forum. No matter what the outcome of this thread is.
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#87
Tyler Wrote:I believe that yes the bible was written by man, but man was inspired by God prior to writing it.

Prove that.

Before you say something, I want for you to understand that before the Roman Reformation of a single Authoritative Christian Church took place, there was no 'bible'. There were over 600 writings, documents, letters, observations by many authors which the early Pre-Romanized Christians held Sacred and as the true word of God.

The Reformation of a 'church' lead to the creation of the bible, where 73 'books' were accepted as cannon by the Early Church. The modern Protestant bible chucked a few 'useless' books paring it down to 66 books. 7 books are apparently wrong, or worthless to a decent chunk of the Christians, or did the Early Roman Church just make a minor mistake and mistook 7 books as the word of God?

The format of the bible, with things like punctuation, spaces between words is a rather new invention. The Hebrew Old Testament doesn't have things like punctuation, spaces, heck even vowels are no where to be found. Forget Chapter and Verse - those were added in 1551.

Most of the English translations of modern bibles are directly translated from the Latin Vulgate, which has been purposefully edited, mistranslated and even had additions added from the earliest existent Greek, Hebrew and Aramaic texts upon which the Latin Vulgate is loosely based upon.

The Old Testament is interpreted far differently in many cases by Christians than the Jews. Which is odd considering Jesus Himself was a Jew, observed the dietary laws, followed the Mosaic law to the letter. however Modern Christians based on Paul/Saul and not on the word of Christ have totally thrown out such things as dietary law - so each time a modern Christian eats bacon they dig their hole to hell a little deeper.

You Sir, stand on a very slippery slope which is well greased with the blood of thousands, if not millions who have died by the 'Law' as applied by the patriarchs and 'True believers' who felt it reasonable enough to change the bible, to interpret it in a way to justify their murders of innocent people.

You are beating yourself up over being a homosexual. Because????

Do you beat yourself up for cutting your hair?

Leviticus 21:5
They shall not make baldness upon their head, neither shall they shave off the corner of their beard, nor make any cuttings in their flesh.

What about bacon? Do you eat that?

Deuteronomy 14:8
The pig is also unclean; although it has a divided hoof, it does not chew the cud. You are not to eat their meat or touch their carcasses.

Do you wear T-shirts?

Deuteronomy 22:11
Thou shalt not wear a garment of divers sorts, as of woollen and linen together.

T-shirts are poly cotton blend... They are of divers sort...

BTW when it comes to The Law (Mosaic Law) do you follows Christ's words or do you just choose to do as Paul said?

http://doctrine.org/?page_id=1327

(Yeah another link for you to click on and this time click on it and read it Mister).


My point is not to throw you into confusion or to cause you to lose faith. My point is to point out that a lot of the law has magically been abolished.

Why is divorce suddenly ok when there are lots and I mean a lot of verses that directly say that divorce is not ok, especially woman who apparently are to be stoned should they divorce and remarry.

Which sin is worse? Those little white lies you tell often so as to not offend (A falsehood is a falsehood, and even saying 'I'm fine' in rely to the question 'how are you' when you are not 100% is a lie) Or sucking a man's dick?

Is any sin actually worse than any other? The answer to that is yes, as one is unforgivable (blasphemy against the Holy Ghost/Spirit: Matthew 12:31-32, Mark 3:28-30, Luke 12:10)

Now I already linked you to several resources to go and get an alternative interpretation of those bible verses you are hung up on. So I'm not going to do that leg work for you.

This is not me trying to kill your faith here, this is me trying to enlighten you a little about The Word and how it actually operates.

Going back to what I said about listening to God - While the bible makes a nifty cliff note for 'what we should do with this thing called life' it is NOT life itself.

To be a Christian is real easy, so easy that hypocrites, haters, bigots and other really terrible people readily adopt that title and throw it around as if they are magically 'saved'.

Love one another (The new and really only 'commandment' Jesus gave us).
Have a faith in Christ, that He lived, died, rose again and saves us from our worst enemy, ourselves.

That's pretty much it.
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#88
I am sorry if I come across as mean or hypocritical. I really to not have all the answers. I am not trying to start a debate or an argument. If I am on a slippery slope then I pray that God will correct me.

With that said the only think I will say in response to your response is this.

2 Peter 1:21 The prophets did not think these things up on their own, but they were guided by the Spirit of God.

https://www.youversion.com/bible/303/2pe.1.21.cevdcus06

Now I know this verse is talking about prophecy, but if it is true about prophecy then why can it not be true about the rest of the Bible?
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#89
Just out of curiosity, what do you think of the inspiration received by Hindus, Buddhists, Taoists, Wiccans, etc? And do you ever wish you'd been born and raised one of those instead so you'd believe that instead of the Bible?

Or for that matter, raised Unitarian Universalist or a gay friendly church, where you'd still believe just as strongly as you do now, you'd just believe something different and not have to deal with the issue of being gay because that would ok in the religion you believed instead that's at least as valid as the one you have right now.
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#90
Like I have said before I do not have all the answers, and as pix has stated is true a good portion of what I believe is from the way I was raised. I was raised in a religiously strict church and family. Recently I have been trying to relearn everything I have been taught. I have been trying to learn for myself, what is right and wrong. For me I believe that God is real and that his son died for my sins so I could be reconciled with God. I also believe that Christ lives in me. I know this to be true because I have felt his presence, in my life, and I have been filled with God's spirit. I have even seen his spirit. As I go through this transition of determining for myself what is right and wrong; the only thing I have other than prayer to turn to for guidance is the Bible. So I will take what everyone has said, and will say and I will meditate on it and pray for God's guidance regarding this issue in my life. As I take this journey and possibly a huge leap of faith in the next days, weeks, months, maybe even years, I ask that you would keep me in your thoughts and prayers (If you pray). So that the truth will be revealed to me, and that I will be able to obtain the best that God has in store for me.
Thanks you for you time and patience in dealing we me. If I have angered or offended anyone or made anyone mad I ask that you please forgive me.
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