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Ways to insult Vladimir Putin/ other homophobic people
#21


This is the weirdest s*** i,ve ever seen! Is this for real?
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#22
Pix has some very good points.

What people dont understand is that Russia is NOT "Americanized" (by the USA), as the rest of the world has allowed itself to be. Russia stands firm on Russian principles, not those of the United States Government.

What people also do not understand is that Russia has been lead by dictators, not Presidents or Heads of State.

A modern Dictator is like the US President, just without the Congress and lower offices of state.
When a Dictator makes a suggestion to become law or amendment, the few lower offices find ways to try and make it happen.....they dont sit on their asses for years debating the issue and trying to make it NOT happen, as is done in the USA. And depending on the "state of the union", some laws are passed without the benefit of them being conversed on by the lower offices.

Old style Dictators had firm rule. If they decreed a law, it was passed by the Dictators personal consultants. But usually still made law, even if the consultants were not agreeable with it.

Yes, I am over simplifying this, but explaining every aspect takes forever.

Even now, as the Russian Dictators call themselves Presidents, and claim to be "elected", they are not. Just like the USA, its all for show. The government puts in power who they want in power.
And this person lasts as long as the government needs his specific views in politics.

And Russia has been in some for of Dictatorship since the last Czar was put to death. The people are used to this kind of rule. They would not know how to function in a truly democratic society.

Yes, Russia has become more "open", but that was from the last Russian leader. The current Russian leader was placed there, because it is obvious that the Russian government did not want to become "Americanized" like the rest of the world is becoming. They see this as the downfall of their country. Which I can completely understand.

They still may have many "old and outdated" ways of thinking still in place, but thats where they feel the most comfortable.

Dont worry, the next leader of Russia will be more apt to seeking some change in the way the people think on a more personal level.

Russia and the United States are not that dis-similar. They both want what they want, when they want it. They get it by any means necessary, and they think THEIR way is the RIGHT way to do things on this planet.

My personal opinion is that Russia cannot handle too much change within a specific time frame. The people have been dominated by a Dictatorship style government and society forever. Even if Putin was ready for change, he couldnt just dump it all on the people and expect them to start thinking that way and acting that way. The Russian people have to be weaned off the old style rule, laws, and ways of thinking before change can be effective on the populations there.

I dont see Putin as a threat, but more of a stabilizer. He's got a lot to deal with, being a Dictator....excuse me, "President"......and he's got to make sure the ways of the people dont get too far situation one way or the other, as to cause a civil war. Most of the people there still have the old Russian mindset, and it will take them a couple more generations to start to understand why certain things need to be changed. They simply cannot do it all at once.

Putin may be a homophobe, he may not be one. I have never read anything where he has blatantly bashed women and gays, so right now, I am just not siding with either on this argument. But I am siding with the fact that you just cant turn an old style run system around over night, and you cant force a people who have had the same way of thinking for centuries, to start thinking a different way overnight either.
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#23
partis Wrote:

This is the weirdest s*** i,ve ever seen! Is this for real?

LMAO, of course thats not real.
If it is, it proves he's got a sense of humor.
And anyone with that kind of sense of humor is not such a bad guy.
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#24
Um, i think its real. Hes sang many more.

A flash mob even gathered in front of the white house for a "stirring" tribute to putins version of "blueberry hill" - organized by a group called ( I really do like putin)

The sing song saw about 50 people wearing t-shirts with the slogans "flash mob" and "sing like putin" on them, with some drums and a few brass instruments.

This happened.
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#25
I somehow can imagine your frustration, but in my opinion it is better to do something against it than discussing this on the Internet. I believe that people should work together and fight for the rights for LGBT in Russia. Stand up together and not alone behind your desk. It will give you a much more satisfying feeling and the fact that you definitely can make a change is even more satisfying. Good luck!!

Ps. I am currently writing about this topic on my blog. If you are interested, feel free to visit the blog. It is about the LGBT rights in Russia.
<-- Link is on my profile
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#26
Personally, I feel that the label of a Human Rights Violator is one of the biggest insults a human being can have. I know it's an unusual point of view, but few things could bring a person to a lower level in my opinion.

Russia may be 'democratic' (although certain key suspicious assasianations question this slightly, but not much), but the rule of law should always protect the minority.

In Russia, this is obviously not the case. Russia also resists the culture of other developed nations for some reason --- something that we see in many countries, such as the ones in the Middle East. So yes, something must be done to protect the lgbts in Russia, but I have little doubt that what we're seeing in Russia now is not how gays will always be treated there. It will either get far, far worse to the point of extermination, or it will begin to get better. It's just a matter of how many matrys and deaths and murders and people's children that will have to die before something begins to change.

And honestly, Putin contributing and being a bystander to this makes him a shareholder in responsibility.

You want me to think of an insult worse than that by creating a funny pun regarding his name?

I just don't think that can be done.
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#27
Offense against offense never actually solves an issue. Or in other words, two wrongs don't make a right.

From what I understand of the USSR politics and policies in this 21st century where they magically became a Republic (My generation were terrified the Russians were going to bomb us all back to the stone age). This isn't just a Presidential Decision.

Russia has a constitution and a parliament and a PM - a parliament is to Russia what the Congress is to the USA.

Take Obama - how many choices does he really get to make? Take the Affordable Health Care Act - while it is called 'Obama-Care' It started out as a bill and had to pass through both arms of the Congress (House and Senate) to become a law.

A similar process is at work in the former USSR, bills are presented to Parliament which are then debated and modified with undoubtedly a lot of pork being added before becoming a Law.

This 'antigay' legislation is not solely the act of President Putin. It is an act of government that in theory represents its people's wishes. Much like Congress represents the wishes of the people of the USA.

And yes, as a matter of fact just as poorly at Congress represents the wishes of the people of the USA, Russian Parliament represents its people as poorly, and UK Parliament represents its people as poorly.... This is a typical issue/problem with all representative forms of government, the representatives actually don't represent their people - but their own self serving interests (This is why I say 5,000 politicians at the bottom of the Pacific is a good start).

Presidents and Prime Ministers become the head of state, and they become a symbol of that state. Thus they become the devil or the angel... Well actually just the devil because so few heads of states are accepted by everyone as being a generally all around nice person.

Taken all of his career, and all he inherited as president of the Former Soviet Union, President Putin is a great man, a great leader. His career with government extends from the USSR days when he was KGB, through the switch over from Soviet Socialists to Representative Democracy as Prime Minister.

Have their been mistakes? Yeah sure. Is anti-gay policies a mistake - to a certain degree yes. Is Russia still struggling with its Soviet Past and its Republic Future - yes definitely. This transition is never easy for any nation.

In time this will work itself out and this 'anti-gay' policy will go the way of America's Don't Ask/Don't Tell Military policy. It is a stepping stone to the future, granted not the most stable and prettiest of stones on the way.
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