Have the TERFs killed Stonewall

[InbetweenDreams]

I'm talking about some people taking Stonewall away from civil rights for LGBT+ as community and only looking at the civil rights for the LGB part but excluding T+ part. I don't think its right.

You are correct in thinking it isn't right because it simply isn't. There are a few caveats which I'll touch on below.

The things these women have been saying about Trans people is disgusting. I'm not Trans but I have friends and family who are and it scares me to see this happening within an organization
can turn its back on Trans people like this. If you think Trans people are wrong to exist remember not that long ago being gay was treated the same, so why cant be let Trans people exist too. Double standards I call it!

Frankly, I think people who are "ok" with people being gay but not trans, are just those who support gay causes, or pretend to, because it is fashionable. I think a lot of people will say "yeah I'm cool with people being gay" but think butt sex is an abomination. I get that people don't understand trans people just as some don't understand gay people. They don't know why or what makes someone the way they are. Frankly, I don't have to know why people are the way they are. I'm ok without knowing or understanding, I'm perfectly fine with people doing their shit as long as it doesn't impede on me. That being said, I don't understand why so many people have a hard time with that. While I don't know much about the situation in the UK, it sound like the well might have been poisoned by some right wingers. I do think shedding light on those people will eventually flush them out sooner or later, progress isn't made in silence.

As some of you might remember the former Governor of North Carolina passed a bill known as the "bathroom bill" because the right wing put out this scare that men will dress up as women and go in the women's restroom and kidnap your kids or some sort of bullshit. I have a relative who is lesbian who got yelled at by some old woman because she went to use the restroom. That's the kind of nonsense that is created when nonsense bills get passed. Of course that was repealed by the current Governor.

The only caveat I have seen to be valid only applies to biological men who transition to female who are also athletes. You may have heard of Fallon Fox the transgender UFC fighter who broke her opponents skull (orbital bone fracture). Before I continue let me be clear, I'm not saying transgender females should not be able to participate in competitive sports, clearly they should. I think it is important to accept that there are clear differences between biological men and women. Men have larger hearts, denser bones and so forth and how long it takes after transition for things to be on a more even playing field I don't know. What I'm saying is that somehow we need to make it fair for everyone.

How long does it take things like hormone therapy to alter someone's physiology to the point where it would be deemed fair, I don't know. My current understanding is that they go by testosterone levels. I don't know enough to say whether that is sufficient, or if other things like bone density, muscle mass lag behind all that. I imagine that it is a little different for everyone. I do think it is important to talk about though. I'm also not saying I'm correct, so keep that in mind before anyone suggests that I'm anti-trans because that is certainly not the case.