"Free will?" WTF?

[Bowyn Aerrow]

As to the first line; yes there is an easy answer: We are biological robots. Clergy and pholosphers wont accept that answer because the have a vested interest in not accepting that answer. But they have no response to the answer either. The clergy resort to ghostes, and philosophers ignore it or at their best they sometime invoke the uncertainty principle as if injecting randomness creates free will.
in the shin hitting episode I don't see how free will comes into play. The "choice" you make is dictated by subconscious impulses you are not even aware of. You react either way, but you have just one reaction, and you couldn't have chosen an other action, because your subconscious won't allow an other choice. And your subconscious is caused as well by your genes and experiences. You can't escape cause and effect.
Where does this wiggle room come from?:confused: Demonstrate its existence either in a thought experiment or some other way I can understand. The wiggle room is precisely what I deny exists. Show it.
We have the ability to become more than our programing? aren't you just restateing your premise? It isn't true just because you insist it is true, is it?:confused:

Slamming the Clergy does not win points with me

In reality in seminary 20 years ago the debate waged warming about A.I. some day being sentient and having free will and - OMG - a soul. Philosophers and Clergy actually do consider this and take it far more seriously than scientists. It has implications, spiritual implications.

Clergy actually think seriously upon such matters, we do not rely solely on Ghosts and God to answer questions, this is why you will find many Clergy members with multiple degrees, degrees in science.

You would be surprised how many clergy would agree that we are 'meat machines' and are a product of genetics, and environment. But we are machines that are able to learn and consider consequences to our actions and reactions and are, therefore, able to make choices - free will.

Back to the cane. I hit your shin (accidentally of course) you can choose to react with grabbing my cane and beating me to an inch of my life, or you can laugh it off. You are not predestined to either one, you can control your actions. You can choose to react in one way or the other.

Or are you destined to beat a person who hits your shin with a cane and no amount of 'will' you exert will stop you from that? If so I will make certain to leave my cane at home when I visit you.