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Secretary Clinton on LGBT Rights in Geneva
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Bowyn Aerrow Wrote:US double standards. Again.

Do as we say, not as we do.

First we need to hold those politicians here in the USA that went there to push these laws through. Make them into examples of our own 'high standards', disavow their actions as policy of the USA, impeach them from their office and apply the Hate Crimes Legislation to them in an open trial where they face the exact same sentences as anyone else that practices 'hate crime'.

Maybe if we could point at ourselves and point out that LGBT are treated 100% equally and fairly as the rest of our nation, such as having the same right to marriage as the rest, then we have the moral high ground to point fingers and say 'Oh you are worse than us'.

Wo, Wo, Wo. Lets try and get facts straight before we jump to conclusions.

"First we need to hold those politicians here in the USA that went there to push these laws through."

First, those Americans who were involved in the Kampala workshop were not elected officials or in any other way representatives of the U.S. Government or people. They were acting as members of religious organizations, which, might I remind you, is protected under both the United States Constitution and International Human Rights Law.

Secondly, they do not support the Anti-Gay Legislation in Uganda (at least not as it stands). Here is a copy of a letter signed by one of the participants, Don Schmierer of Exodus International, opposing the legislation:

http://blog.exodusinternational.org/2009...lity-bill/

So, as misguided as these zealots may be, they are not exactly ravenous and blood thirsty, looking to have all gay people in Africa executed.

Finally, I do not think you listened to the content of Secretary Clinton's speech or you would know that she acknowledges the work that has yet to be accomplished here in the United States and that she lists several new initiatives (though minor) that focus on doing that work.

So, though I am sure you are understandably angry, there is no reason to jump to conclusions about who is involved, what they were doing and support, or that there isn't an acknowledgment of work that has yet to be done here as well as other places.

I think, as Secretary Clinton indicates in the above, dismissing the oppositions concerns out-of-hand and painting them with broad strokes is counterproductive to what we want to accomplish. In other words leveling broad accusations and talking past one-another is not going to convince others that we are right.
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Secretary Clinton on LGBT Rights in Geneva - by Inchante - 12-07-2011, 09:33 PM
Secretary Clinton on LGBT Rights in Geneva - by Pix - 12-07-2011, 10:17 PM
Secretary Clinton on LGBT Rights in Geneva - by Inchante - 12-07-2011, 10:43 PM
Secretary Clinton on LGBT Rights in Geneva - by Rainbowmum - 12-07-2011, 10:54 PM
Secretary Clinton on LGBT Rights in Geneva - by hamsandwizh - 12-07-2011, 11:02 PM
Secretary Clinton on LGBT Rights in Geneva - by Inchante - 12-08-2011, 12:29 AM
Secretary Clinton on LGBT Rights in Geneva - by AirBorn - 12-08-2011, 12:54 AM
Secretary Clinton on LGBT Rights in Geneva - by East - 12-08-2011, 01:42 AM
Secretary Clinton on LGBT Rights in Geneva - by Bowyn Aerrow - 12-08-2011, 03:45 AM
Secretary Clinton on LGBT Rights in Geneva - by wakeboarder - 12-08-2011, 04:36 AM
Secretary Clinton on LGBT Rights in Geneva - by Pix - 12-08-2011, 04:47 AM
Secretary Clinton on LGBT Rights in Geneva - by wakeboarder - 12-08-2011, 04:57 AM
Secretary Clinton on LGBT Rights in Geneva - by Inchante - 12-08-2011, 05:32 AM
Secretary Clinton on LGBT Rights in Geneva - by OrphanPip - 12-08-2011, 05:41 AM
Secretary Clinton on LGBT Rights in Geneva - by East - 12-08-2011, 05:45 AM
Secretary Clinton on LGBT Rights in Geneva - by Inchante - 12-08-2011, 06:19 AM
Secretary Clinton on LGBT Rights in Geneva - by East - 12-08-2011, 06:39 AM
Secretary Clinton on LGBT Rights in Geneva - by East - 12-08-2011, 07:03 AM
Secretary Clinton on LGBT Rights in Geneva - by Inchante - 12-08-2011, 07:25 AM
Secretary Clinton on LGBT Rights in Geneva - by East - 12-08-2011, 08:18 AM
Secretary Clinton on LGBT Rights in Geneva - by Inchante - 12-08-2011, 08:43 AM
Secretary Clinton on LGBT Rights in Geneva - by East - 12-08-2011, 09:20 AM
Secretary Clinton on LGBT Rights in Geneva - by princealbertofb - 12-09-2011, 08:03 PM

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