a fun post, since im too sick to go anywhere

[jatman]

So since I'm sick, I'm taking the time to consider all the guys I've been in bed with, and I noticed something strange. I came out to myself at 23, about two years ago, and out of the 10 or so guys, 2 had under-developed testicles. (Technically one of them had just one small ball, the other guy unfortunately had two) When I say under-developed, I mean like they haven't-hit-puberty-yet-size, but interestingly both had normal pubic hair. So do you think low testosterone level is one of many causes of homosexuality? Have you met anyone with this condition, or have you been seeing the same trend I'm seeing?

[Pix]

No, as there are plenty of straight men with low testosterone. Furthermore, plenty of gay men are in good physical shape, masculine in body and often attitude (as much as any other man anyway), and have a very high sex drive, so that's saying they have plenty of testosterone.

A lot of people seem to equate orientation with gender roles, and that seems to be a mistake. It would not surprise me if most feminine men are actually straight, but they'd be under even more pressure than feminine gay men to hide it.

I know there are some conspiracy theories that the government is putting estrogen into our food which is turning men gay, but I disagree. If that were so then a lot more men would be gay, and for that matter, would be growing breasts (moobs by overweight men don't count, btw). And there would be far more gay men than there are lesbians. And most lesbians aren't masculine or growing hair on their face (at least no more than any other women) so that's not a function of hormones either.

For that matter, every single case I've heard of someone crossing over gender wise retained their same orientation as before. So if a MtF preferred women as a male then once the testosterone was suppressed and estrogen introduced then she'd continue to desire women as a woman, again showing me that hormones don't affect orientation.

And many children have crushes that indicate orientation before their bodies hit puberty, again showing that hormones, or lack thereof, don't determine orientation (otherwise most to all little boys who have crushes would have them on males instead of females).

[ceez]

Pix you just blew my freaking mind :biggrin: or maybe its the medicine I've been taking :tongue:

[jatman]

That last point is particularly insightful.

And I guess pubic hair is activated by more than testosterone.

[Sylph]

Yeah Pix, mind blown :0 lol, and I'm not on medicine (anymore :p ) .

I agree, and in addition;

Genetically, Black men are considered more masculine, due to their typical deep voices, thicker bones (I.e bigger hands/feet), and *ahem* considerably larger third leg.

Despite all that, I know for a fact that only 2/10 black men have what other men have, which is body hair. Now as boys, we learned in Sex Ed or whatever class you had, that hair growth and all that is controlled by Testosterone, but if that's the case, then why wouldn't black men especially be the ones with body hair?

Some of the biggest most masculine black guys have no body hair, but the most feminine white men have body hair.

It's a matter of genetics really.

I myself am half black and I too barely have any body hair (except for on my legs, which is pretty much the same for most guys), but my voice isn't deep, and my hands and feet are fairly small, especially for my size (6'1) and I am very slender.

I share traits from both sides of the fence. Hormones, like Pix said may not really have much to due with it. Your genetics determine how you are. My dad and mom have small hands, ergo I have small hands. My parent's are both short, but I'm tall. My Dad's black/italian, my mom's white/black and I'm a high Yella (A person who black people believe can pass for white - here atleast) or otherwise known as Mulato.

It's really just a matter of Genetics. It could even be a condition that those two guys were underdeveloped.

By the way, what happened to Don't Kiss and Tell :p .

[zeon]

Hello,
I havent really looked at whether the person im banging has big or small nuts i just focus more on the pleasure moments lol

[Sylph]

Hello,
I havent really looked at whether the person im banging has big or small nuts i just focus more on the pleasure moments lol

Naughty Auntie :p .

[Bowyn Aerrow]

Testosterone does lead to the development of body hair in those who have a genetic tendency for body hair.

Blacks tend to lack the hair follicles on their torsos.

I suspect that the need for more hair in the northern climates drove the adaptation of whites to have more torso hair. Now with this new researching pointing at neanderthal DNA being found in all but those of direct African decent it may actually be a hang over from Neanderthal.

As Pix pointed out, medical changes in the levels of estrogen to testosterone does not change sexual orientation in those who undergo gender change.

A more recent study points at genetic and other environmental factors in determining your sexual orientation. http://www.scientistlive.com/European-Sc...ied/20670/

10 men in 2 years is not a large sampling of the population. If I used the 8 men who have been with in 20+ years then I would have to submit that gay males have larger than average endowments and tend to be taller and more muscular than straight males.

Why? Because out of the 8 males I have been with, 6 of them were over 6'2" (taller than me) worked out regularly, and tended to have much machismo (were very masculine).

As for their endowments being larger than average, I strike it up to the personality types that I am drawn to. Their personalities were, um lets say 'more confident' (Actually they had egos as large as planets) I think in part their 'confidence' was an expression of how they perceived themselves due to what was hanging 'down yonder'.

My experiences thus my judgment of what 'gay' is is based more on my personal tastes and what I am attracted to. I suspect that in this case your personal tastes in partners is what affects your perceptions of what 'gay men' are like.

It is possible that both physical and personality characteristics you are attracted to are in part affected by what is 'down yonder' and how their perceive themselves.

Understand, we males are dominated by our own endowments. We are programed from early on that a larger package makes you 'more of a man' and that if you have less you are less of a man. Our peers and society has a lot of myths passed off as 'truth' regarding sex organs. I call them 'myth-conceptions' a form of misconception.

On average (meaning taking a random sampling) comparing straight and gay males we find that there are no physical differences (outward, brain-wise there may be).

Underdeveloped testes is fairly high in the male population (regardless of sexual orientation) Many males don't fully develop until their very late teens early 20's.

While we set the average age of male development at or around age 20 Its really a sliding scale of between 18 and 25 with more than a few ending a year or so earlier and a few ending later on in life.