Jettalove Wrote:Has anyone ever wondered what it would be like to throw the whole GS community into an IRL big room? I have. It would be an interesting experiment, at least!
I would probably end up butt naked covered in mayonnaise..
While vacuuming.. to your sound tracks...while [MENTION=21084]Virge[/MENTION] takes photos...While [MENTION=18997]matty7[/MENTION] uses me for a ramp.. While @Cridder88 figures out how to turn the whole thing into a video game.
What else has changed? Now..gay people are the ones slut shaming and the ones who are sexually repressed...
They managed to pit us all against each other...and ourselves...like they have done with every group who is not white...or heterosexual.....
TPTB understand this simple sociological phenomenon...they understand it perfectly ...and have used it for centuries...
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I'm not sure that all those slut shamers on the www are actually gay people, but those moral-majority loons, trying to win their fight through the back door (pun intentional). The Internet is anonymous, gay people should get into their online hangouts and harass/educate them too
Bhp91126 Wrote:I'm not sure that all those slut shamers on the www are actually gay people, but those moral-majority loons, trying to win their fight through the back door (pun intentional). The Internet is anonymous, gay people should get into their online hangouts and harass/educate them too
That certainly is a possibility...and I think at least some of the suspects on the Internet do just that...but the fear of AIDS and the need for acceptance and approval has done a lot of damage....and as we can see...the ones who most closely represent the original oppressors are already considered the most desirable ones.... ("straight acting" white males)...and now...virginity until marriage...UGH....equating our sexual appetites with Morality...the new version of gay people...not all...but way too many... definitely do this...
There are a few of them on this gay porn website....long term relationship people who act like they are the gay version of the Moral Majority Southern Baptist Ladies Club....I get a mental picture of Carrie's Mother when I read them.....
East Wrote:That certainly is a possibility...and I think at least some of the suspects on the Internet do just that...but the fear of AIDS and the need for acceptance and approval has done a lot of damage....and as we can see...the ones who most closely represent the original oppressors are already considered the most desirable ones.... ("straight acting" white males)...and now...virginity until marriage...UGH....equating our sexual appetites with Morality...the new version of gay people...not all...but way too many... definitely do this...
There are a few of them on this gay porn website....long term relationship people who act like they are the gay version of the Moral Majority Southern Baptist Ladies Club....I get a mental picture of Carrie's Mother when I read them.....
...makes my skin crawl...
I'm finding this very interesting, the idea that there is something lost in I guess what you could call the assimilation of gay people into the broader society. In your earlier post you brought up a comparison to internalized racism too... It's a perspective I haven't really thought about, I guess because I am a part of a generation, and live in a place, where homosexuality is overall accepted and we have many rights.
For me, I want to get married at some point. Adopt kids, get a dog... I'll stop short at moving to the suburbs and the white picket fence though. I have a hard time imagining what it would be like not to have that option. I think those things appeal to me because I'm modeling my future off of the very loving, family focused childhood I had, and the relationship I saw between my parents. So it's interesting to think that something larger might be at play too.
I wouldn't call myself sexually repressed, but I'll jokingly call myself a prude sometimes. Some stories my friends tell me about their sex lives have embarrassed me, and there's some sexual behavior that -I was going to try to think of a polite way to phrase it, but I'll just be blunt- sickens me. There are certainly some guys I've met out at bars that I'd never hook up with just because of the way they express their sexuality. But I wouldn't say that to someone. I don't view myself as being morally superior just because I'm not as sexual, and I'm definitely not the type to be telling people what to do with their own bodies. AIDS is certainly something that gives me hesitation, but I also think a lot of what shapes my views on my own relationships and sex life is my personality.
But like how different would my goals, behavior, and to some extent my personality, be if I were born in '42 or '62 instead of '92? If I grew up being told I couldn't do certain things, or didn't deserve things, because of my sexuality, I feel like that would cause me to feel pretty alienated and angry and reject the broader social norms since I was being kept from them in general. If I knew I didn't have the option to openly have a relationship with another man, maybe I'd be more likely to be promiscuous. If I were worried about people knowing I'm gay, maybe I'd turn more to anonymous type sexual encounters.
Hmm.. My brain isn't functioning too well right now, I'm sick today, but I want to get some of my thoughts out. But I guess it is the choice that I think is valuable. Today a gay person can choose to model themselves off of straight role models or straight social norms, or they can choose to reject those things.
So what do you think is something the younger generation should keep in mind about the gay identity? It's like an immigrant making sure their child retains elements of the parent's home country.. What is something that you'd like to see future gay people hold on to, even if only ideally?
Anocxu Wrote:I would probably end up butt naked covered in mayonnaise..
While vacuuming.. to your sound tracks...while Virge takes photos...While matty7 uses me for a ramp.. While @Cridder88 figures out how to turn the whole thing into a video game.
Virge can take photos, that's a given. However, I need a steadicam so I can video the whole thing in a tasteful, trashy, body oiled, gyration of raw human sexuality, interspersed with occasion shots of you weeping alone somewhere to lend some gravitas. Sure you have to look like you're enjoying it in the moment, but behind the scenes we need you to loathe the life you've been forced to live. Some good editing and a decent soundtrack and we'll be on the GAYVN red carpet in no time.
Jettalove Wrote:Has anyone ever wondered what it would be like to throw the whole GS community into an IRL big room? I have. It would be an interesting experiment, at least!
This would be interesting. We'd need alcohol. Herbal remedy probably too. I especially want to watch Twist and Gideon tango together. The sweet way they care for one another should be a recommended treatment for depression. And I think everyone would agree meeting Virge and Jay would be most excellent. Hell, we'd need Camfer there just to bring us back down to Earth after that. Jetta you could bring your other half so some of us (not everyone has a straight guy fantasy) might have the opportunity to fawn over him. Virge could bring Ray and his brother too! It would be a good ole homopalooza!
Bhp91126 Wrote:I'm not sure that all those slut shamers on the www are actually gay people, but those moral-majority loons, trying to win their fight through the back door (pun intentional). The Internet is anonymous, gay people should get into their online hangouts and harass/educate them too
A lot of gay people have sort of turned on each other. All you have to do is look at some of the other gay chat/forum boards and its easy to see that we tend to eat our own. Wait. That came out wrong... Although on some forums that's almost literally correct I suppose.
As much as I like the idea of harassing the religious zealots and idiots in general (Joan Crawford knows they have it coming), I like the education part of your idea better. Yes, sometimes we have to hit them over the head to educate them, but treating bigots negatively tends to beget more hate. And I'm not always sure the internet is the best way to do it.
Anocxu made a good point in that the technology that was supposed to be bring people together by means of more communication, is driving us further apart as we all stoop over our phones while reinforcing the inability to spell words in favor of texting 3 to 8 caps locked letter acronyms: BRB, IMHO, TYVM, FWIW, DILLIGAS, STBY, RBTL, etc. (for which we need a different dictionary to define the meaning).
What the new technology is really good for is keeping people honest via all the cameras in phones. What about Romney's 47 percent? How much police brutality would have continued to be swept away without the proof of video to back up claims? And frankly, its just as important for police as well since unfounded accusations could be put to rest easily. Gay people have benefited from all these phone camera videos as well, including the incident with the guy who throws a chair at a gay man in a NYC restaurant.
Hook-up apps have been great for the hyper sexually active gay crowd. No more spending hours cruising and wasting money on watered down booze. Gindr shows you who's twenty feet away and lookin' to bump uglies. Frankly I miss cruising through. Again, its another social interaction that's been usurped by technology.
So I think there are pros and cons regarding technology in 2015. Probably the best way of looking at it is that people haven't fully realized how to best use a brand new tool to its best advantage yet.
Gay people have come a long way in terms of entertainment. From the self hating gays in Boys in the Band in 1970 we've progressed to the gay love story Brokeback Mountain (albeit with a self hating gay man in the mix) in 2005, and an honest portrayal of the gay holocaust which united us against politicians, doctors, and the general public who were both afraid of us and thought we were getting what we deserved, The Normal Heart in 2014.
Even now though, we have to put up with the likes of Fox news which is still more apt to put us down than lift us up.
I never thought I'd see gay marriage become legal in my lifetime, all the while I could get fired for admitting it, or evicted from my apartment because of it. Our civil rights are still in the crapper. And I'll expect challenges to gay marriage for quite awhile. Black people are still discriminated against and how long has it been since we abolished slavery, let alone given African American's the right to vote. In that light gay liberation has moved at light speed, even if we'll have to deal with the religious right wing for some time to come.
Religion has started to shift a teensy weensy bit. The Pope is even calling for a kinder, gentler way to treat gay people. That's a big change from the days when we were both maligned and molested by them. While all that may be true, gay people are still a long way off being embraced by the Christian religion. More important, it's Evangelicals, Dominionists (tea partiers like Ted Cruz), and any of the other radical religious wing nuts the gay community has to watch out for.
It's scary that a Dominionist has gotten this close to the Presidency considering what they advocate is a Theocracy instead of a Democracy. While Ted Cruz is couching his stance on gay marriage as "It should be a state's rights issue as opposed to a supreme court decision", his church sings an entirely different tune. One of the two main sects of his religion, New Apostolic Reformation (or Seven Mountains teaching), backed Uganda's Anti-Homosexuality Bill which would have made being gay a capitol offense. Notice Cruz isn't bringing that little tidbit to light. The other main sect of Dominionism, Christian Reconstructionists, are even less squeamish:
Quote:American Vision is a Christian Reconstructionist group who has partnered with Liberty University’s Law School among other mainstream social conservative organizations. Two American Vision writers Gary DeMar and Joel McDurmon both advocate the death penalty for gays.
.....................patheos.com
(Let me note here that Patheos.com is an Evangelical site for religious "discussion", not some left wing internet news source.)
Before someone brings up the fact that Cruz is so far back in the polls that it isn't even a worry, its good to remember that Donald Trump has been teaming up with Cruz lately. No one thinks "the Donald" has a shot in hell of winning. But early on, no one really thought Ronald Reagon was going to be the shoe-in he was either. Hell, who would have guess sane people would have put Arnold Schwarzenegger in a governor's chair?
Rick Perry is even more politically correct in regards to his characterization, but has made several slip-ups as he cultivated his current position. Like Cruz he is also for states rights vs. the supreme court. But he's not about to talking the nuts and bolts about what his church believes. He does trip over his tongue and spew idiocy concerning gay people with relative ease.
I bring up these two 2016 presidential nominee's because although they may be lagging in the polls, they shouldn't even be in contention for the race to begin with. It isn't that I don't believe everyone has a right to run for office, it's the very scary notion that there are enough of these fanatics who support such candidates and donate large sums of money for their campaigns. In 2015 shouldn't we have overcome such blatant bigotry?
Mark my words, both Cruz, Perry and a couple of the others will firmly seat the gay marriage issue in the state's rights vs. supreme court. That issue will be eventually dragged to SCOTUS by republicans. Whether they succeed or not is another issue, probably based on who gets to nominate the court's retirees.
Sure some very important gay liberation issues are much better than they were many years ago. But we're not out of the woods by a long shot.
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