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[MENTION=18508]East[/MENTION] Indeed he is... Supposedly Trump doesn't use email, at least in terms of a communication tool as I'm sure he had to have an email address to be on Twitter and so on...

Quote:In fact, the Department of Homeland Security and the Office of the Director of National Intelligence have both said that recent WikiLeaks releases originated with Russian state-sponsored hackers seeking to influence US electoral politics. Assange’s essay doesn’t account for the possibility that a government might exploit or collude with a leak platform like WikiLeaks. (WikiLeaks’ spokesperson denied that there has been any “official claim that any documents published by WikiLeaks have come from a state actor,” somehow ignoring last week’s DHS and ODNI announcement.)

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artyboy Wrote:Same can be said with the rise of national socialism in Europe, I bet the Russians are behind it.

The USSR's KGB was doing similar in the past and alot of those people are still working for Russia.

Trump's favorable post debate poll numbers came from a tiny place in Florida which is a hub for Russian Trolls....

It is easy to trace the IP addresses....

...and with any online poll..they flood the poll with mega voting..one after the other....which is why Donald cites online polls which is embarrassing for him since even a third grader could figure it out if they thought about if for a minute...

I had to give up the mainstream news sites on the internet some years back because Russian trolls post all of the fag*ot and extremely hateful anti gay stuff..encouraging other people to do so as well. They are a nasty bunch....

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/10/12...d-Illinois

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/...e9d7945280
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axle2152 Wrote:Now you have the WikiLeaks thing on Clinton and how she basically still doesn't support gay marriage and only supports it to get votes.

Not true. It'd probably serve you well to stick to the facts.

http://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-se...-equality/


You do realize this will be the first presidential election cycle where a *clear* majority of Americans support same-sex marriage?

http://www.pewforum.org/2016/05/12/chang...-marriage/
http://www.gallup.com/poll/183272/record...riage.aspx

I believe it was Joe Biden, back in 2012, who finally broke that barrier and decided that *yes* same-sex marriage was okay.


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NativeSon Wrote:Not true. It'd probably serve you well to stick to the facts.

Well these days you just about need a private investigator to find all the facts.... Very very easy to misinterpret, be misinformed, redirected. Half the news articles aren't "News" articles, the other 48% are ads and 2% might be the truth...

Everything is politically motivated, people claim there was a time this wasn't the case, I think that myth it an utter lie...

Anyway, it is turning out that WikiLeaks, particularly after hearing about the ties they have to Russia, that they aren't credible. The masses that support Trump hold her responsible for Benghazi, Whitewater, Email "scandal" and so on...

I think it is clear that the dumbing down of this country was long planned out before my time and it was intentional.
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[MENTION=23180]axle2152[/MENTION] ....there are alot of actual non partisan fact based sites out there that you can trust....

If somebody says you can't trust them..they have an agenda....don't argue with them. Find their agenda instead...you will learn alot more about them that way.

Politifact is one of the honest sites...they have won the Pulitzer Prize....

Snopes is good too....

There are others.

The hate Bill and Hillary got from the right from Day One was unprecedented I think...from the beginning. They kept inventing crap about them and spinning out..it was very annoying. I checked and rechecked their claims against the facts before I wrote off the detractors..and I was never really a huge fan of either of them BUT I thought they were both competent people and he easily got my vote. He moved us forward....

Hillary won my vote as Secretary of State and it is when I decided she would be a good President. I didn't vote for her in 2008...but I didn't hate her either. I didn't like Obama either...I wanted Dennis Kucinich..and when he dropped out.Ralph Nader...but I plugged my nose and voted for Obama so Sarah Palin didn't get anywhere near the White House.

The only President I ever loved was Jimmy Carter. I might love Obama...I am getting closer to the point where I do.
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It's probably better not to count any chickens before they're hatched.
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axle2152 Wrote:I think it is clear that the dumbing down of this country was long planned out before my time and it was intentional.

I did hear of critical thinking once being taught in American schools. What I've heard from those old enough to remember it (and this includes a Republican, btw, though more a fiscal than social conservative) is that it was phased out when Ronald Reagan was POTUS, apparently because too many kids were questioning the Cold War propaganda (it was intended to get people to think past enemy propaganda but was also backfiring in some cases by seeing through the American propaganda, and also seeing through shady ads). I'm not sure why, but in the late 70s and early 80s, kids (and even some adults) in both the Soviet Union and United States (aka the USSA Wink ) started questioning the Cold War propaganda, though I suspect the prosperity and stability being enjoyed by both (a lot of what the USA said about life in the Soviet Union is a lie--just as a lot of what the USSR said about life in the United States was a lie) contributed to it. The Soviet Union responded with Glasnost (granted, it's more complicated than this) while the US phased out critical thinking from public schools.

I've also heard from 2 others who went to school after that (and who didn't get the critical thinking aspects of education that those before them had) who both got in trouble for questioning the propaganda meant to instill patriotism in them (apparently boys like them had been more common before).

There are a few other aspects of government control. For example, if American schools want federal funding then they have to teach --or NOT teach (like in sex ed) -- certain things or they lose money. Some of what they "teach" is blatantly untrue meant to terrify rather than inform.

It should be noted that every nation wants good citizens and thus their schooling will play up the successes and downplay the bad sides in regards to their respective nations, though this is mostly in history class. This seems to happen on a more social level even when the government doesn't take an active role in that aspect. Here in the United States it's so easy to offend parents of all political persuasions that some subjects, especially history, are diluted to the point of worthlessness (and thus boring as well). It's to the point that plenty of historical errors (from wrong dates to including legends rather than history) are overlooked as long as the textbooks remain inoffensive to the community.

School boards don't want a critical gaze focused on them for multiple reasons so don't want to offend (and certain political groups are also active, like trying to get Thomas Jefferson excluded from being taught about in American history because his words are part of why American courts resist the Christian Right) and corporations respond to that by making books as inoffensive as possible so they can sell to the most schools and thus make the most profits (better history books, or at least tailored to certain states, can be had, but they cost more, and most schools won't pay extra even if they'd prefer the better textbooks).

But it's not just the government and school board. This is also American society. Our parents want us dumbed down as well, and would rather manipulate with fears and lies than with facts or the ability to question (especially if that ability to question can cause kids to rebel, or worse, embarrass the parents, that is too many in government and the private sector want a dumbed down society, and many parents in the USA will willingly mutilate a child's mind to dumb them down the same way parents in other countries will mutilate bodies to make them more socially acceptable).

And unfortunately, social media has only exacerbated that problem rather than alleviating it, but that's another topic (but if you want to know more then I'll share this article just shared with me, and it includes how it affects politics as well: how trolls are ruining the internet ).
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