Trans activists threaten violence at medical conference

[kindy64]

I don't believe science is settled enough on this to justify just accepting the word of someone under the age of 18 at face value. Adults are certainly free to do what they want with their bodies, but the care of children needs to take great care not to do harm one way or another. If that results in many gender confused children "desisting" then that's what was meant to be for them, at least, that's the way I look at it.

The same can be said that some children with same sex curiosity may not be homosexual, or even bisexual. Some counseling may be appropriate, that's not saying reparative therapy, just to make sure there isn't some other issue, like sexual abuse, going on in the background. I don't know the research that well, other than to say it's not very broad.

Take the following statement "Compared to heterosexuals, non-heterosexuals are about two to three times as likely to have experienced childhood sexual abuse." (cite) That is an interesting fact in and of itself, but does not say that childhood sexual abuse leads to becoming homosexual.

In general, more study is needed on all these issues. Not to demonize either same-sex attraction, or the transgendered, but to find better methods for caring for both populations. There will always be people who are just adamantly against both, but I think most people are flexible enough to be understanding, and listen to soundly researched advice.

http://thefederalist.com/2017/02/27/thre...onference/

It didn’t take long for the inaugural scientific conference of the U.S. Professional Association for Transgender Health (USPATH) to descend into an ugly display of intolerance and identity politics, with gender-confused kids as ideological pawns.

When the dust finally settled, trans bullies and their medical allies had colluded to kick a dissenting expert (Kenneth Zucker) off the program, justified their censorship by indirectly blaming President Trump (the “direct threat” to trans people from the “new political climate”), and declared victory.

It was the latest piece in a mounting pile of evidence that the debate over how best to treat gender-confused children is not really about what’s good for children, but about the transgender obsession with being “de-pathologized” and validated as “normal.”

It also points to an even more troubling possibility, that the transgender phenomenon has given rise to what one lesbian critic calls a “trans cult,” characterized by “inventing false facts that don’t stand up to scrutiny, claiming that science is hateful toward your beliefs, claiming to be persecuted when you can’t force your beliefs on other people, and attempts to silence and destroy non-believers. Transgenderism is a religious cult.”

Cult or not, it’s clear that the alliance of trans activists, blind believers, wounded followers, and willing dupes in the medical community controls the airwaves, so to speak, of modern medicine. They have arrogated to themselves the right to rewrite history, silence critics, brand their own ideologically driven opinions as “fact,” and deny a hearing to researchers, clinicians, victims, and families whose evidence and experience run counter to their mandated cultish beliefs.

[deephiance]

I have never really been comfortable with that line of thinking. I personally think that like the old belief 'If you have a dominate mother and a submissive father, a boy can be led into homosexuality' is wrong, as I believe that an abuse child is most likely to be led into a life of homosexuality.

I think statistics would show that Girls are most often the victims of sexual abuse by a male known to them, but at the same time, the figures of how many children of both genders are sexually abused are staggering, I don' think there can be a real correlation other than coincidence in a majority of cases of abuse victims becoming homosexuality.

I definitely think that it could lead to an abuse victim questioning their sexuality under the guise that they aren't a victim but rather it was their fault that they were abused and experimenting with same sex attraction or not feeling adequate enough to attract someone of the opposite gender leading to the wrong conclusion they are gay.

Gender issues being cause by abuse? Hmmmmm. Possibly, but I somehow believe that gender identity issues generally begin to surface at a pretty young age and at those young ages, those children can't express their feelings or understand their feelings. It really is a murkey and complex issue that I believe can be studied over forever and a day and really have no conclusion or conclusive evidence.

Perhaps the abuse, the sexualisation of the child, could in a way expedite the childs awareness of gender, gender roles and sexuality?

[kindy64]

That's just it, I don't know where the research is, or what it says. I do know that it should be open to free, honest, and open debate. Not driven by idealogues of either side of the issue.

My roommate had a theory that some gender dysmorphia in younger kids may be the result of same sex attraction. Little Janey likes girls, but only boys like girls, so I should be a boy kinda thinking. The few adult transgender persons I've talked to all expressed a desire to be more masculine or feminine. (Granted a very small number of people.)

I don't believe all masculine or feminine aspects are innate traits of the male or female body, but are personality driven. There are effeminate men and masculine women who do not want to change their gender.

[deephiance]

There is a thread buried deeply in this sites archives unless it was deleted when I was put on an IP ban 3-4 years ago that actually had some great discussions and insights into gender dysmorphia as it was something that I was struggling to understand but I was open to hearing it from the mouth of someone that was or wanted to transition.

I learned a lot, and a lot of others learned quiet a bit from those discussions.

[TigerLover]

If there's one thing I hate about American society its how eager everyone is to politicize science.

The idea that a non-expert has any valid opinion on this subject is absurd. If we can reliably test kids to see if they're transgendered then that's great let's hold a seminar, formulate some guidelines and start offering training to child psychiatrists pronto. I'm sure we're all in agreement on this much.

As for whether we can reliably test for it or not. That's a matter for TG people, scientists in relevant fields and absaloutely no one else.

I mean seriously you don't do this shit with quantum physics. You don't get hack pieces written about Steven Hawking. There are no TV panels of charity leaders, politicians and priests arguing over the properties of a quark.
Why is it suddenly acceptable with biology?

[deephiance]

What on earth do you mean by 'Test for it'????

You mean the same way they test you to find out if you are gay, bi or straight?

I thought the individual stating 'I was born in the wrong body' was enough evidence that a person, young or old, is gender dysmorphic?

Seriously, you think 'testing' for dysmorphia is an appropriate thing, an added stress, or a back handed way of saying 'I trust you are dysmorphic, but lets just test you to see if you are actually telling us the truth'.

I think everyone who is not plagued with gender identity issues needs to empathise as an in road to understanding a person with Dysmorphia. They are not a science project, they are people who are born with their physical being out of sync with who they are.

[TigerLover]

What on earth do you mean by 'Test for it'????

You mean the same way they test you to find out if you are gay, bi or straight?

I thought the individual stating 'I was born in the wrong body' was enough evidence that a person, young or old, is gender dysmorphic?

Seriously, you think 'testing' for dysmorphia is an appropriate thing, an added stress, or a back handed way of saying 'I trust you are dysmorphic, but lets just test you to see if you are actually telling us the truth'.

I think everyone who is not plagued with gender identity issues needs to empathise as an in road to understanding a person with Dysmorphia. They are not a science project, they are people who are born with their physical being out of sync with who they are.

CHILDREN, the topic at hand is children.
I trust adults to know that they're gender dysmorphic but I don't expect the same self-awareness from someone who still believes in Santa Claus.
So yes their claim to be gender dysmorphic must be tested to ensure they aren't making a terrible mistake. That's why in Sweden they delay puberty to give the child time to develop mentally. Then they decide basically whether to induce a male or female puberty.

[deephiance]

CHILDREN, the topic at hand is children.
I trust adults to know that they're gender dysmorphic but I don't expect the same self-awareness from someone who still believes in Santa Claus.
So yes their claim to be gender dysmorphic must be tested to ensure they aren't making a terrible mistake. That's why in Sweden they delay puberty to give the child time to develop mentally. Then they decide basically whether to induce a male or female puberty.

in most countries they delay the one set of puberty for the exact reasons you state because delaying is reversible.

Testing for what exactly, you didn't answer that question.

Children believe in Santa Claus because that is what adults TELL them they should believe in.

dysmorphic kids believe they are in the wrong body because their body feels alien to them. the body doesn't match the brain.

so how exactly do you propose ever so reliable science to Test for that????