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Gay... But WHY?
#41
I think that it is a genetic disorder, or a different chemical balance in the brain. Disorder is the wrong word, but it is just a different ratio of something in the human system. I am really good with these scientific terms as you can see. I don't really know how to put my thoughts into words... so I am sorry.
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#42
I see what you're saying, but if it were to stem from a chemical or homonal imbalance in the human system, does that not suggest that it could be controlled (like, say Diabetes), by administering some sort of counteracting chemical effect into your body on a regular basis ?

Has anybody considered that it's possible that we're gay because we're meant to be gay ?

That, perhaps, the same thing which decides that we were born to certain parents, in a certain place, at a certain time, is also the calculus for deciding our hair colour, eye colour, the size of our willies, our sexual preferences and a whole host of other things ?

I think if you're looking for a scientific answer to the question you'd have to approach it like a scientific scenario - i.e. ruling out possibilities with logic.

Therefore the first question that you would have to ask is whether homosexuality is hard-coded into the subject on a genetic or almost cellular level, or whether it's something that is learned from exposure to materials.

You could start working from there, but to be honest I don't think you'll ever find a scientific way of explaining it to the satisfaction of all ... there are just too many inexplicable things ...

I think if you were to be able to stumble upon a way of profiling somebody and determining their sexuality in advance, it shouldn't be THAT big a deal to then take it one step further and determine their IQ ... or their general personality, and so on ...

It is an interesting point to debate though, so thanks to drocko17 for asking it :biggrin:.

!?!?! Shadow !?!?!
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#43
Shadow: There is nothing to correct chemically. It's like saying that there is a chemical reaction that causes someone's eyes to be green, and that it can be corrected. Corrected to what? Green instead of what? If there is a chemically related structure that makes us gay, then it just IS. The only reason people say that if it is chemical it should be corrected is because homosexuality is made out to be evil, different, abnormal. If green eyes were considered the same, then people would be calling for chemical fixes for it!
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#44
Which is the point I was making Confusedmile: - my previous post and the one you just read were to be read together mon ami x

I am 100% in agreement that homosexuality is neither a defect nor an imbalance in any aspect of an individual's make-up. I would, if I were forced to opine on it, suggest that it is something considerably more basic, considerably more simple and considerably less malleable than people might think.

I would opt for a spiritual explanation, probably along the lines of "it's one of a huge number of considerations that was decided for you - it's not yours to change", because I believe that accounts at least in some measure for the existence of some sort of force or power that DOES make these decisions, and for the decisions being completely beyond our ability to control, sanction, or forcibly change.

Cheers !

!?!?! Shadow !?!?!
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#45
Well I think KInsey hit it pretty well. He figured about 10% of people where 100% straight and 10% 100% gay and the rest in the middle, some more some less, some stuck right in between, where pretty fluid depending on cultural, social, environmental, religious and other considerations.

As has been mentioned here just about every culture on the planet, past or present has had same sex realtions as a major part of their culture. Very often it's explained away differently...arab countries and south america for example it's ok for older men with younger men, just not once they get older, or the idea that only the "bottom" is gay so as long as you "top" your whole life you're not gay.....

The idea that it is a "disorder" is ludicrous. Being in the minority doesn't make something a disorder, becasue you take only one specific out of context. There are less blondes on the planet than gay people. Would being blonde then be called a disorder? It's just one more variant on the human condition. Black haired but left handed? Red headed but right handed? The variations are endless.

As well, nobody has ever proven the "concept" of heterosexuality. That's only opposite sex attraction. Most people think in terms of biology. All of us here can reproduce, we choose NOT to, but our abulity is the same as heterosexuals.

So first someone must prove to me, if something MUST be proven, that heterosexulality actually exists. Until then my sexuality is just one more facett of my indevidual existance, as different from others in it's totality as anything or anyone else.

(My dinner is here so I am not going to proof read that, sorry .)
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#46
ok now, im not a religious man. not really. however, if there is a god, perhaps a nice way of looking at being gay is this:

one day, god was sitting on his cloud or whatever, to a look at earth and suddenly noticed, OH DEAR! population is getting a little out o hand. there wont be much room left soon. we dont want to run out food either! hm, how can we secure earth's future? i know! lets make a way for humans to love without making babies.

god devised his plan and put it to action. everything seemed to fit together wonderfully Laugh1 !

now im not one to question it really. if theres something different about you, you arent a freak, your just part of a minority. and u have to accept that, because you have no other choice if nothing else. so we are gay, people are left handed, people are black, people are white, and so forth. perhaps god just thought, if everybody was the same, that would be boring!! a world without gays? we make this place worth staying for!!!!Biggthumpup
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#47
well i think you're born gay. that's just based on what i remember from when i was young.
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#48
Each person gets born with a certain 'level' (let's say) of homosexuality, sort of a a genetic potential (that's up to kinsey's theory), but depending on the environment people can develop it in many different ways. Also (i think we've already talked abut this), homosexuality always existed, as well as heterosexuality, but men have always covered it, one of the main causes is religion: the strict model of 'god invented men an women one for each other'.
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#49
Not being a scientist or a theologist I can only draw from my personal experiences. When I was young, like younger than 10, I had no sexual identity, when I first discovered my hardons I found I got them from women mostly but had odd times when men made me hard. It didn't even register in my head until I was about 17-18. I didn't have my first experience with a man til I was 21. After that I felt really guilty, then I did a lot of thinking and realized hey guess what, there's nothing wrong with me, I am who I am. Since then I have been very comfortable in my own skin with being Bi, I haven't told a lot of people, but I am quite happy with who I am now and I don't think I was influenced by environment. I am pretty sure this is the way I was wired.
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#50
What we should be asking I suppose is WHY the "why?" question. Nobody sits around wondering (or persecuting) for not liking Olives for example, yet millions looove them and millions hate them. Or why some people love some type of sport and could care less for another.

The question of "why are we gay?" is a man made one. The asking doesn't make the reality "intrinsically disordered"...just that some people wonder why others are not like themselves. Same sex attraction has been around since the beginning of time and has been documented in well over 500 mammal species and even birds and reptiles. Something so prevelant isn't disordered, just a variation on the exisiting whole. Having more of something doesn't make it more natural, or Chinese, Indian or Pakistanies would be "the norm" while the other poor sods would be a mistake.

The question really should be "why the question?" None of us are exactly alike. Our sexuality is just one part of an extremely complex whole. Taking one single thing out of the equation doesn't give us the overall picture.

Olives make my skin crawl....where does that leave me?
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