Should sex offenders be allowed to appeal?

[fredv3b]

if a judgement was made at the time of sentence that a pedo will never be 100% safe then an appeal would only be second guessing a judgement that has already been made and the appeal process has already been used at sentence.

First there is no way a non-clairvoyant trial judge could determine that an offender would never be 100% safe, all they could do is say that they would not be safe for the forseeable future. The letter of the law does not allow them to order that the registration be reviewed in, say, 10 years time. Second 100% safe is not a reasonable standard, random members of the public are not 100% safe.

[simon]

First there is no way a non-clairvoyant trial judge could determine that an offender would never be 100% safe, all they could do is say that they would not be safe for the forseeable future. The letter of the law does not allow them to order that the registration be reviewed in, say, 10 years time. Second 100% safe is not a reasonable standard, random members of the public are not 100% safe.

it is not a judgement for a judge but the government to make,if parliament was to make that judgement and make it a mandatory sentence,which is the situation at present,I 100% believe that a pedo will never not have the feelings they do,it is just not possible and I would expect there are many studies to back that up,that only leaves whether the pedo acts on those feelings,I would expect there is a number that will never but I believe that their name on a register to be an acceptable compromise between their freedom and whether they molest another child.

[fredv3b]

In which case all minor child porn offenders should also be on the register for life.

Also do you think that someone who failed to wait a week until thier gf/bf was 16 should be classed as a paedophile? Or perhaps a month, a year or two? Where would you draw the line?

[simon]

In which case all minor child porn offenders should also be on the register for life.

Also do you think that someone who failed to wait a week until thier gf/bf was 16 should be classed as a paedophile? Or perhaps a month, a year or two? Where would you draw the line?

m8 you need to remember this thread is about "life sentence pedos" not a 15-16 couple,

I agree who gets on which list needs to be looked at,you are stuck on the details I'm saying once those details have been sorted then those pedos that warrant being on the list for life it should never be looked at again,simple as that,clouding the argument with whether a 15 year old boy should be on there for life is really not helping because I would guess it doesn't happen anyway,I would think they are on there for a small number of years,lets stick to the sick pedos that this judgement was aimed at.

[fredv3b]

I have always believed the devil is in the details. I am sorry if you feel I am clouding the issue, I think the issue is cloudy and I am pointing that out. My question remains where would you draw the line?

[simon]

I have always believed the devil is in the details. I am sorry if you feel I am clouding the issue, I think the issue is cloudy and I am pointing that out. My question remains where would you draw the line?

you are not so much clouding the issue but mixing too different ones,no 16 kid that has sex with a partner of say 15 has or will be put on the list for life,that is just a fact so asking me where I draw the line is silly really because the issue is about those pedos that have been sent to prison for acts with children,its these people I'm talking about and its those people the ruling was about,so you can look at the details by all means but look at the correct details and stop trying to class a young couple that has sex to a pedo,the issue could not be clearer,if you are sent to prison for about 2.5 years for molesting children you get put on a list for life,should they even come of it,no never.

now if you want to argue about whether a young couple should be on a list for a few years or not then that is all well and good but don't try and link the two.

[fredv3b]

You have already made your position clear regarding a man who engages in sexual act with, say, an 8 year old. I disagree, I think people can change, and should have the opportunity to show it.

My question is if sex with a 15 year old is not paedophilia, is it with a 14 year old or a 13 year old?

[simon]

the register is not just for pedos so its not a "pedo register" so yes a person over age of 16 that has had sex with a person of 15 in the law has done something wrong but that doesn't make them a pedo,so the chances of a prison sentence would be very slim or even going to court but they could still go on the sex offender register because they are a sex offender but will only be on there for a short while if at all,for someone to be classed as a pedo first they would have to be over 16 and have done a sex act to someone 13 or under but a court would hear the facts and do the judging.

bottom line you dont beleive ANYone should be on the register for life,I do.

[fredv3b]

bottom line you dont beleive ANYone should be on the register for life,I do.

Not for life without possibility of appeal.

You believe that some people should be on the register for life without possibility of appeal, but decline to answer my question about who those people actually should be.

[Beaux]

You have already made your position clear regarding a man who engages in sexual act with, say, an 8 year old. I disagree, I think people can change, and should have the opportunity to show it.

Hold up. Exactly how many chances do you think society should give a pedo NOT to screw an 8 yr old!?! How many kids lives do you propose we let said perv RUIN?
Have you looked at the statistics? Dude, no.