Occupy Wall St---I warned you, didn't I?

[cloud999]

You really are obsessed with me. I see you are back to posting with no supporting links to facts. Too bad, I thought I saw growth.

You want me to prove that you are a member of the Stonewall Democrats? Or that Thomas Sowell works at Stanford? Or are you so outclassed in this debate that you resort to vicious personal attacks? Like below.

This is all about sex isn't it? You can't get a guy like me to look at you. The more I write you off, the closer you try to push toward me. That make work for some in business, but not on a personal level. Have you ever considered that the reason people back away from you is............well, the way you are - obsessed with your own needs? You succeed at making money while you do not do so well in personal relationships. I guess we all know why you are single. Let me guess, having a 'house boy' never seems to work out for you?

My last boyfriend died in a traffic accident. You already know this.

Back off.

[WesHollywood]

You want me to prove that you are a member of the Stonewall Democrats? Or that Thomas Sowell works at Stanford? Or are you so outclassed in this debate that you resort to vicious personal attacks? Like below.


My last boyfriend died in a traffic accident. You already know this.

Back off.

Of course I am sorry to see anyone lose their partner. You claim to have medical involvement. Grief counseling helped me at one time.

If any of us lose it on a message board, the board will not be forgiving. A Log Cabin, GLBT, Teabagger is an enemy. Short and sweat.

You are a distraction in threads from the GLBT agenda. You are part of the problem. While I am truly sorry for your situation, you can not be allowed to run roughshod over this forum or the progress of the GLBT community. You need an attitude adjustment, don't give up.

You say back off. I say get a life, maybe grief counseling can help. Best of luck.

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[cloud999]

If any of us lose it on a message board, the board will not be forgiving. A Log Cabin, GLBT, Teabagger is an enemy. Short and sweat.

Then tie me to a fence and beat me to death.

You are a distraction in threads from the GLBT agenda. You are part of the problem. While I am truly sorry for your situation, you can not be allowed to run roughshod over this forum or the progress of the GLBT community. You need an attitude adjustment, don't give up.

Since when is Occupy Wall Street and Obamacare part of the LGBT agenda? And since when did you speak for the administrators of this forum, and, for that matter, the entire LGBT community?

Occupy Wall St---I warned you, didn't I?

The 99%ers are misguided fools supporting the status quo...because the Occupy Wall Street movement is being co-opted by Democratic activists like you. In the end, they will be Obama's base in 2012.

[WesHollywood]

Then tie me to a fence and beat me to death.

I think we should both take Bowyn Aerrow's advice, slow things down, and call it a night.

[WesHollywood]

Then tie me to a fence and beat me to death.

Since when is Occupy Wall Street and Obamacare part of the LGBT agenda? And since when did you speak for the administrators of this forum, and, for that matter, the entire LGBT community?

The 99%ers are misguided fools supporting the status quo...because the Occupy Wall Street movement is being co-opted by Democratic activists like you. In the end, they will be Obama's base in 2012.

Now, today is a new day. Hopefully you can look at things with a fresh point of view. Message Boards are a verbally violent place because we discuss issues that deeply effect our lives. You have claimed to be a teabagger, Republican, 1%er, GLBT. You make unsubstantiated remarks constantly and your main source of posting information is name-calling.

Then as the walls close in, and you are going down, you demand sympathy because your lover died in an auto accident. So, the members of this forum let you slide. Clearly you need some grief counseling. However, your problems continue to be a distracting irritation in this forum because you want to play "king of the hill" and dominate debate with your drivel.

Simply stated, sh*t or get off the pot. Either you are going to defend your laughable politics or you are going become a viewer until such time as you can be civil. You are precisely the kind of guy that should be sliced and diced as a traitor to the GLBT movement. So what is it going to be?

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Just for the record, I'm not against Log Cabin Republicans so long as they're actively trying to change the Republican Party the way that the gay community once changed the Democrat Party (and not making excuses for them). If Republicans could be made relatively gay friendly than that can do us only good who currently have to all too often choose being screwed over a little by a Democrat or being screwed over a lot by a Republican. If we were courted by both sides then things can only get better for us. And people like Mayor Jerry Sanders make me think it's possible that they can be reached:




While to my knowledge President Obama has been (to my surprise given an autobiography of his I read) perhaps the best POTUS for the gay community ever, he still shies away from true equality...and Republican Jerry Sanders does not. (Unfortunately both President Obama and Mayor Sanders seem to be the exception to the rule, though President Obama is a less surprising exception.)

Still, their work seems insurmountable. We are a minority, and while one can make a decent argument that so are the evangelicals (even if they currently have far more control over the Republicans than we could ever hope to), the majority can clearly identify with evangelicals more than they can with us as they themselves are typically Christian and are manipulated as such. (I figure that's why antigay measures often succeed whereas pro-life legislation often fails, because the antigay legislation doesn't have any real chance of affecting them personally while pro-life legislation might saddle the voter with an unwanted child or child support payments down the road, so as long as it doesn't affect them then they can be swayed with "God says so" but otherwise aren't that fanatic.)

I used to be supportive of Libertarians (at least as far as gay issues go), though the LP choosing--nay, "drafting" in their own words at the time--Bob Barr made me lose what little trust I had for them. In practice, President Obama is more libertarian than Bob Barr. (Bob Barr tried to reinvent himself in 2008 and while I cautiously give him the benefit of a doubt that he changed his mind on the USAPATRIOT Act that he once supported as there was some proof of that, I don't believe he's changed significantly in any other way. And while there are many other reasons he'll never be a Libertarian in my eyes, one of the most anti-Libertarian things he did was use government legislation by authoring the DOMA--which btw, even many Democrats support, including Hillary Clinton, though Barr was the one to actually author this monstrosity--to counter free market forces that were selling "gay marriage vacations" in Hawaii. Intolerance to gays aside, how can one be more anti-Libertarian than using the government to counter the free market?) I asked the few Libertarian friends (that is, those with the official party as opposed to "small-l libertarians") about that and most of them bought that he'd changed hook, line, and sinker, though they couldn't really give any reason for that belief other than he and the LP said so. How easy it is to forget their own rhetoric about judging a politician by his votes than his promises. Ah well, at least they steal votes from Republicans! :tongue:

I'm also cynical of the claim that the Tea Party (generally speaking) are accepting of gays. I do know ONE openly bisexual pagan who goes, but after the "FOX zombies" took it over she's been shunned (though not fully rejected). Long story short I think she's unable to see it has changed and would rather believe that for the first time in her life that her voice matters, even if her voice (aside from many libertarian values other than gay issue, pro-choice, etc) is drowned out by the majority of other voices in the Tea Party. I've been told by a Libertarian who used to go that most of them (once it changed) were openly against the "gay agenda." (Though given how decentralized it is I can accept that it may not be that way everywhere, though I'd think it would be a rare exception for it not to be.)

But if anyone can bring back the Republicans from their current positions, and especially if they can get Republicans to reject the evangelicals (good luck with that) and look to the gay community as a possible source of support, then I wish them the best of luck (as long as they work hard to do it and not just make excuses). Until that happens I hope the independents (such as myself) continue to leave the Republicans in shock and disgust over their blatant catering to evangelicals and mean spiritedness. May Republican Jerry Sanders one day become the typical Republican instead of the exception.

[WesHollywood]

Just for the record, I'm not against Log Cabin Republicans.......

Let's approach the question of Log Cabin Republicans from another angle. Basically, we have three types of people on this planet. Those who have a better economic life, those who want it, and those trying to live a normal life based upon the model of a liberalized inclusive straight world.

People who have money and use it to control others, (they often have a house boy for their sex because no one can truly love a selfish person). And there are the hustlers at the bottom of the economic scale who f*ck for money or advancement usually not as a choice. Republicans, teabaggers and that lot are in everything for their own personal benefit. They are right at home with the self-serving Log Cabin Republicans.

The large third group are fortunate people who only have to use sex to pursue pleasure or build a relationship. I have been fortunate to be such a person, as have most GLBT. I know I am lucky.

Back in 1969 at the Stonewall Inn it was the drag queens who lead the way, not us preppie-yuppie-macho types. As the years went past, Congressman Barney Frank became an openly gay U. S. Congressman. As the highest openly gay member of government GLBT leadership fell on his shoulders. Stonewall Democrats was formed as a WING of the Democratic Party. Keep in mind there are dozens of national GLBT organizations that contribute to GLBT progress, but there is only one organization that is part of a national political party, Stonewall Democrats. http://www.stonewalldemocrats.org/ Log Cabin Republicans are not a wing of any party, they are a stand alone group. I doubt seriously if Log Cabin Republicans can point to a SINGLE issue that they alone contributed to GLBT progress.

So, the stage is set. GLBT progress happens in Stonewall Democrats, the Democratic Party and a few dozen liberal national and local GLBT organizations. Log Cabin Republicans are merely a national country club for comfortable GLBT who would like to think they have influence. Log cabin Republicans have little to boast about, and their closure would do little to effect the future of the GLBT movement. Stonewall Democrats is where the rubber meets the road.

[fredv3b]

I'll leave aside your personal opinions on the Log Cabin Republicans, but I will ask why being LGBT should make one a socialist?

I doubt seriously if Log Cabin Republicans can point to a SINGLE issue that they alone contributed to GLBT progress.

I am not sure how one can contribute alone? If one contributes, then there must be others who contribute as well. The nature of politics being what it is I am sure there is nothing that the Stonewall Democrats (or any other particular group) did entirely on their own.

I would point you to the legal challenge the Log Cabin Republicans made against DADT. This was a facial legal challenge, i.e. challenging the law in general, not challenging its application in the specific circumstances of an individual serviceman or woman. The Log Cabin Republicans convinced the District Court that DADT was simply unconstitutional. The pressure of this case moving up the appeals system finally spurred President Obama into actually having it repealed. The President having squandered his golden opportunity, of his party controlling both houses of Congress, in terms of LGBT issues only managed to get the repeal through with the help of two Republican Senators that broke rank with their party.


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[WesHollywood]

I'll leave aside your personal opinions on the Log Cabin Republicans, but I will ask why being LGBT should make one a socialist?



I am not sure how one can contribute alone? If one contributes, then there must be others who contribute as well. The nature of politics being what it is I am sure there is nothing that the Stonewall Democrats (or any other particular group) did entirely on their own.

I would point you to the legal challenge the Log Cabin Republicans made against DADT. This was a facial legal challenge, i.e. challenging the law in general, not challenging its application in the specific circumstances of an individual serviceman or woman. The Log Cabin Republicans convinced the District Court that DADT was simply unconstitutional. The pressure of this case moving up the appeals system finally spurred President Obama into actually having it repealed. The President having squandered his golden opportunity, of his party controlling both houses of Congress, in terms of LGBT issues only managed to get the repeal through with the help of two Republican Senators that broke rank with their party.


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To begin with you are the one pushing the word "socialist" with regard to GLBT. Let us remember history will show that it was Republican greed that led to the Wall Street Bail out in 2008, and turned taxpayers into shareholders. President Obama, as challenged in the presidential oath of office, tried to protect capitalism.

Trust me the fact that Republicans accelerated socialism in America is something we Dems WILL NEVER let them forget!

Again, you talk a good story for Log Cabin Republicans. I hear you trying to grab onto some success for Log Cabin Republicans with DADT, but everyone knows it was President Obama and Congress that repealed that disgusting legislation. I did not see any links provided by you to substantiate that Log Cabin Republicans is little more than a country club for affluent people looking to decorate themselves as contributors to the GLBT cause. The Stonewall Democrats, THE GLBT WING of the Democratic Party are the real movers and shakers in GLBT politics along with a some other committed liberal groups. Log Cabin Republicans are fluff.

[WesHollywood]

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