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Suicide
#41
"I don't believe we can ever fully know what it is like to be someone else"
I can. it's easy to know, at least for me.
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#42
I have, like many LGBTQ people considered suicide at some points, but it's selfish. Incredibly selfish. In a way it's sad when staying alive is seen as an obligation, but unless you're fine hurting the people you care about immensely, it sort of is.

My aunt's husband since 30 years back recently killed himself. I have no idea what he was going through (and we weren't very close) but he left behind a harrowed and lonely woman as well as 3 children, ages 19, 17 and 10. As I said, I have no idea what was going on in his life but any man who intentionally dies, leaving his entire family behind is just awful. His youngest daughter is TEN and he thought it was okay to just go and die?

I often sympathize with persons who commit suicide. People have the right to die as they please, for better or worse. But for most people, who are actually loved whether they know it or not, it's really fucking selfish.

Was it Kierkegaard who said that suicide is a possible but poor way to escape the absence of meaning and an indifferent universe?
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#43
I prefer not to think of suicide in terms of right or wrong and there is no benefit to be gained in passing judgement on this issue. Given the right set of wrong circumstances it could be any one of us contemplating suicide, whether we like to admit it or not. Some people say "never me", but none of us can be so confident.

I think suicide is a tragedy for all concerned. It's the tragic result of a life that has been broken and shattered and it leaves devastation in the lives of those who are left behind. It's certainly not an easy or cowards way out.
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#44
HumbleTangerine Wrote:I have, like many LGBTQ people considered suicide at some points, but it's selfish. Incredibly selfish. In a way it's sad when staying alive is seen as an obligation, but unless you're fine hurting the people you care about immensely, it sort of is.

My aunt's husband since 30 years back recently killed himself. I have no idea what he was going through (and we weren't very close) but he left behind a harrowed and lonely woman as well as 3 children, ages 19, 17 and 10. As I said, I have no idea what was going on in his life but any man who intentionally dies, leaving his entire family behind is just awful. His youngest daughter is TEN and he thought it was okay to just go and die?

I often sympathize with persons who commit suicide. People have the right to die as they please, for better or worse. But for most people, who are actually loved whether they know it or not, it's really fucking selfish.

Was it Kierkegaard who said that suicide is a possible but poor way to escape the absence of meaning and an indifferent universe?

I'm sorry but you are looking at this with a very narrow mind! As you say, you don't know what was going on, but yet you feel the need to pass judgement and talk about him as though he made a quick decision to kill himself! I'm pretty sure that someone who has a family/loved ones would not commit suicide to deliberately hurt them. When you get to the stage of trying to commit suicide you are in a very dark place, which no-one can ever really know how someone else feels. At that point he wouldn't be thinking clearly and certainly wouldn't be thinking about the people around him.

People commit suicide for many different reasons, but until you have been in that very dark place and you know what they are/were going through then maybe try to understand that people have there reasons, and I certainly don't think it's an easy decision to make!
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#45
I'm interested in this topic because well I've dealt with alot in my life and never was sucidal or depressed about anything. Being gay was the only thing in my life I ever got down about.
When I got dumped and my ex wouldn't respond to any of my messages and everything else in my life was going wrong. Your in a fragile state. Braking up from some u like alone sends u in a weird state for a little while. I guess when u have 1 problem happen then u have multiple problems occur u feel helpless and will anything ever get any better.

I remember going through that and when something bad happens to me I quickly pipe up Im not gonna let this get to me and I become a fighter and try changing everything getting better. Then when someone else knocks u back down u lose that fighter in you. So when multiple things go wrong in your life u don't think straight like u normally would and u cant see things getting better so u think of just ending it because you've had enough.

This is something I'm really careful about now and why I always be nice to others because u never know what someone else is going through and your actions or words could be enough to push them over the edge so always be nice to people.
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#46
Most important thoughts in my life have always been about suicide as a most important existential and aesthetic problem. All my knowledge is a tool for preparation to last bon voyage.
Result of my investigation i put to my fiction story.
Unfortunately?)) i can't introduce my work to you - it was written in russian language
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#47
Today I'm not still thinking about suicide but I don't fear death. Mine. Cause I fear the death of the people I care.
And if you ask me, death is the thing I'm looking for. I'm not depressed or something similar, but this is the way I live.
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#48
Quote:I'm not depressed or something similar, but this is the way I live.
Maybe our ways are close to each other...No! )) i can't even imagine that someone traveling in a threshold zone like me with a same gnoseological valise
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#49
LordAbortion Wrote:Maybe our ways are close to each other...No! )) i can't even imagine that someone traveling in a threshold zone like me with a same gnoseological valise
It's difficult to find someone who's accepting this thing. I mean one of the things that made me afraid of a potential relationship is... Find someone who's "able" to accept this darkness without being consumed...
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#50
sillyboy86 Wrote:It's difficult to find someone who's accepting this thing. I mean one of the things that made me afraid of a potential relationship is... Find someone who's "able" to accept this darkness without being consumed...
I. My idea of suicide very far from popular manner of thoughts about this theme. "Darkness" sounds very childly . There is no "darkness" ,"abyss" ..and something like that.
I'm not searching partner for suicide. I'm not "suicidal boy"))
- i just have aesthetic view on death it's seduce me. Thats why i love talking about it. Suicide is just my lovely toy)
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