SolemnBoy Wrote:Oh, I've heard the whole "believing in God - nothing to lose, everything to gain" argument before. The problem is, you either believe or you don't. Even if you started "believing" just because of the aforementioned argument it would be a shallow kind of belief that only origins from an "if there is an afterlife, I want to end up on the good side!" mentality.
Shouldn't God, an omnipotent divine being, be able to see through that? o.O
The gain/lose argument is called Pascal's Wager and it's been refuted over and over. That great sage Homer Simpson put it best, "But Marge, what if we picked the wrong religion? Every week, we're just making God madder and madder!"
I dont beleive in what people call their god or anything but i like to beleive there is something there. weather thats god or not im happy thinking this way, cant stand Religion itself all made up to make money and cause problems,
One of my favorite poems, which I think is relevant to this discussion.
We Have the Fairy Tales by Heart
by Dylan Thomas
We have the fairy tales by heart,
No longer tremble at a bishop’s hat,
And the thunder’s first note;
We have these little things off pat,
Avoid church as a rat;
We scorn the juggernaut,
And the great wheels’ rut;
Half of the old gang’s shot,
Thank god, but the enemy stays put.
We know our mother goose and eden,
No longer fear the walker in the garden,
And the fibs for children;
The old spells are undone.
But still ghosts madden,
A cupboard skeleton
Raises the hairs of lad and maiden.
If dead men walked they, too, would holler
At sight of death, the last two fisted killer
Stained a blood colour;
A panic’s pallor
Would turn the dead yellow.
We have by heart the children’s stories,
Have blown sky high the nursery of fairies;
Still a world of furies
Burns in many mirrors.
Death and evil are twin spectres
What shall destruction count if these are fixtures?
Why blot the pictures
Of elves and satyrs
If these two gnomes remain unmoved by strictures?
We have the stories backwards,
Torn out magic from the hearts of cowards
By nape and gizzards;
There are two laggards,
Death and evil, too slow in heeding words.
Tear by the roots these twin growths in your gut;
Shall we learn fairy tales off pat,
Not benefit from that?
Burn out the lasting rot,
Fear death as little as the thunder’s shot,
The holy hat.
I love when people tell me prove there isn't. Um.......that would be proving a negative. Until i see proof. I will continue to not believe......but hey doesn't mean i'm close minded.
I don't know what i believe in anymore. I came from a string Christian upbringing, and ever since i have accepted myself, it kind of threw all my beliefs out the window...
Sometimes I like to trip up religious people by asking posing them this hypothetical situation.
If god is all powerful, is it not conceivable that He could design and build a universe that is so complex and interwoven with all these rules of physics that any further outside influence would fundamentally damage the way that our universe functions.
If this is the case then God can no longer influence our lives without destroying everything around us. So there is no point in praying or wasting time asking for His advice, wether you believe in Him privately or not makes little difference to me. Living life morally shouldn't be based off religion anyway.
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