another one

[pellaz]

from the NYTimes; another gun owner...

[Blue]

Yep another criminal with a gun who was very irresponsible and, whom gun bans would likely NOT have prevented from having that gun.

You will never convince me that banning guns is going to keep them out of the hands of criminal - banning just takes them away from responsible, law abiding gun owners, not criminals.

[Bowyn Aerrow]

Pity more people in New york don't carry concealed. If more did then this guy may have thought a bit longer and harder before he did what he did.

Then again in this case maybe not. It appears he was actually seeking to suicide himself, but didn't have the guts to actually turn the gun on himself and involved officers in order to get them to do the dirty deed.

No matter how you slice this, guns do not kill people. People kill people, guns just happen to be a nifty way to do the job. A gun is a tool, just like a hammer a saw an axe or a butcher knife.

At no time in history has any tool just gotten up and decided to go postal on people. There is always, ALWAYS a person wielding the tool.

Banning Guns will not keep guns out of the hands of criminals. It will, however, lead to the loss of firearms from people like myself who are 'legal' and respect the firearm.

There are less home invasions in my neck of the woods than in other areas, half of that has to deal with its pretty well known that out here in the rural area, 50% or more of the home owners own a firearm.

If a law was passed to prevent legal ownership of firearms, suddenly everyone would know that no one out here has a firearm. Suddenly the 'risk' of being shot drops, thus the criminals who didn't abide the law to turn in their firearm are out here and we are stuck with dialing 911 and waiting 20-40 minutes for the sheriff to eventually drive out here.

In truth, if gun bans do pass, I will not turn in all of my firearms. In fact I might actually turn the ones I have in, but only after purchasing a few that are unregistered and 'illegal'. Perhaps even more than I already possess with lots and lots of ammo to protect myself and my neighbors.

[pellaz]

Yep another criminal with a gun who was very irresponsible ...

not a criminal but a mentally impaired. Maybe this one has green hair. Seems criminals have taken the back seat in gun usage.

[Blue]

Same as my little corner of the world - 18-20 families out here and NOT ONE home invasion, robbery or anything else is as long as "Bubba" can remember and he was born and raised it the same house is is now bedridden at 98 in.

In the 10 years I have owned my property here, the sheriff has been out here 3 times, in an official capacity, once because one of my neighbors hung himself, once because there was an arson fire on the rail trestle near my house and, once because I called him to remove the woman (a guest of a neighbor) that was stumbling around the edge of my property and repeatedly falling in my irrigation ditch - she was jacked up on meth and drunk.

Sure Danny, the sheriff comes out here socially quite a bit, but that's because my private pistol range is closer than the county range and, he loves getting beaten by the gay guy on the dueling tree. LOL (Joke between us, I knock all of my targets to his side of the tree and he says "Damn, I guess limp wristing doesn't affect the shots after all." to which I reply "No, it helps, you should try it sometime.") * have to understand the mechanics of shooting a handgun to understand the humor in that*

We don't lock our doors out here, no reason to, someone is always home and, though not all of us are concealed carry legal, we are all legal gun owners and sportsmen (and women). Because of that, this area is well known as the place not to break into a home unless you want to find yourself nose to barrel with some gun or another with the homeowner on the other end of that gun who isn't afraid to use it.

Some of us have tongue in cheek door plaques that read "We Don't Dial 911" and others, like me have "Never Mind the Dog - Beware of Owner." Yes it's meant to be humorous, but there is a lot of truth in those signs too.

[pellaz]

again he was not a criminal
its not like he is going to rob anyone, take their money, car whatever. they have no logical purpose.

your guys (and myself) live where there are more cows than people. we are isolated from this.

[Rainbowmum]

I am really sorry to hear about that , criminals and guns spell disaster.
But Guns don't fire themselves, blame the criminal

You know , I have had guns for years , not once have I thought about shooting someone.

When Martin Bryant who was by the way , mentally ill decided to shoot up a bus full of tourists in Port Arthur in Tasmania , anyone that had a gun had to hand it in.

At the time we were living in Maitland , we had about four rifles and a hand piece.
I always made sure that they were stored in safe manner , dissembled , ammunition stored in another place , all the firing pins were kept in a metal box.

Only one rifle was loaded , i kept it in the wall near the door, just in case, no one knew it was there.

The law came in and we had to hand them in , mind you they never worried about the crossbow or my swords, go figure.
The police paid us the price we paid for them , if you had no receipt you were screwed.
They were also selling them to the bike gangs, they never got my firing pins , they are sleeping with the fishes.

And so the black market was open ,and all the criminals were now armed.
The crime rate went through the roof , night guards were no longer armed, drive by shootings became a norm in Sydney Newcastle and Wollongong.

The gangs were armed and fighting each other.
I am not talking about the bike gangs , I am talking about the street gangs.

[dfiant]

Yep another criminal with a gun who was very irresponsible and, whom gun bans would likely NOT have prevented from having that gun.

You will never convince me that banning guns is going to keep them out of the hands of criminal - banning just takes them away from responsible, law abiding gun owners, not criminals.

How do you know that he wasn't a responsible law abiding gun owners before he had his brain snap?

I understand what you are saying, but the for and against arguements just go in cirles because there is no right or wrong, but there is always good turning bad.

The solution is an impossible one.

[72jay]

The law came in and we had to hand them in

And so the black market was open ,and all the criminals were now armed.
The crime rate went through the roof , .

That shows as a perfect example why guns should NOT be banned.

from the NYTimes; another gun owner...

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[Blue]

Exactly as I have always said, if you outlaw guns, you take them from those that should have them and give them to those that shouldn't. The only way to correct that would be to go back in time and insure the gun was never invented, in which case we'd still have cross bows and probably some other sort of ranged weapons that would pose the same problem.

A better alternative might be to arm and train everyone. A criminal would think twice if they knew whomever they were considering as a target was armed and knew how to use the gun they had.