every time I see a nerdy looking skinny guy with glasses.
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megumidesu Wrote:actually , a lot of people do call all priests pedophiles ...
yes ... but we all know that is wrong.... many priests do a good work... the really care for their people in a good way.
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ABSOLUTELY NOT!!! God made me this way and loves me. There is nothing perverted about homosexuality, it is just as natural as heterosexuality. Being gay does not make me the least bit different either. I am an average guy who just so happens to be attracted to other men.
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I think I know where your coming from, although Im not sure I would choose the pervert/freak/disgusting tag.
Certainly when I was younger - say 13-15 ish, when I wasn't completely sure what being "gay" actually was - at that stage I just considered myself different rather than labeled this or that - I did feel something, dirty perhaps, after the physical act of having sex. The foreplay and the intimacy was absolutely fine (I was sure I liked boys LoL) and I enjoyed it, but almost immediately afterwards I felt that I was doing something wrong or forbidden (Perhaps my good Catholic upbringing was to blame?)
Its difficult to explain, it was just some kind of subconscious feeling that it was wrong, rather than perverted.
Those feelings continued for a long time whenever I was with a guy, not helped by the fact that I was closeted for too long. The subconscious negative feelings only really disappeared completely when I came out as gay to everyone.
Hope that makes sense.
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I've never felt less a pervert than when my lover and I are making love. It all feels so totally right, somehow. Times when I feel like a pervert, maybe, are times when I realise the image that we might project to people who don't know us, say, if we held hands in the street. It would be so uncommon, that it might look weird or perverted to onlookers. In fact, it never feels perverted to hold his hand either, it's just when I try to see us as an outsider that I realise it must be shocking or strange. So I just (we just) withhold from holding hands in the street or kissing. After all I am 53 and he's 57 so, I guess it would be a very strange sight. We'd expect it far more easily from a young couple of men, I know. In the privacy of our home, I don't feel perverted...
If you ever feel that way, think about all the other disgusting stuff that people do, like fighting iniquitous wars, leaving people to live in squalid abodes, or even some of their sexual practices that are unsavoury and regugnant. I try to accept that as long as no one's getting hurt (some are even getting pleasure) and as long as no one is forced to be doing something they don't want to be doing, there's no limit to the expression of love you and another human being (or even other human beings) can share.
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OlderButWiser Wrote:I think I know where your coming from, although Im not sure I would choose the pervert/freak/disgusting tag.
Certainly when I was younger - say 13-15 ish, when I wasn't completely sure what being "gay" actually was - at that stage I just considered myself different rather than labeled this or that - I did feel something, dirty perhaps, after the physical act of having sex. The foreplay and the intimacy was absolutely fine (I was sure I liked boys LoL) and I enjoyed it, but almost immediately afterwards I felt that I was doing something wrong or forbidden (Perhaps my good Catholic upbringing was to blame?)
Its difficult to explain, it was just some kind of subconscious feeling that it was wrong, rather than perverted.
Those feelings continued for a long time whenever I was with a guy, not helped by the fact that I was closeted for too long. The subconscious negative feelings only really disappeared completely when I came out as gay to everyone.
Hope that makes sense.
ObW
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It makes plenty of sense to me... My sense of ''perversion'' was whetted when the vicar once told me I was ''living in sin'' (at the time, doing it with a woman). Little did I know that I was also committing adultery, since my girlfriend was technically married too. She only disclosed that later. She had married this gay guy to act as his cover and to be entitled to some benefits that the army wouldn't have afforded them otherwise. It was purely a marriage of convenience and a blanket, but I was still technically committing that sin. Since I didn't know, it didn't feel wrong.
I hated the vicar's judgmental attitude so much then that, rather than returning sheepishly to the fold, I decided to give up going to church where I was considered an abomination. In my mind I was not doing anything wrong, not hurting anyone, just loving someone, and that felt quite right, including within the precepts of religion that I'd understood. The old rules of not sleeping with someone before marriage seemed so antiquated and meaningless since our relationship was based on love and mutual respect.
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As an afterthought, the root of ''pervert'' is in Latin, where it meant that which strays from its course (ie natural course). For a straight man perversion would mean straying from that for which he is naturally inclined, straying from women to seek gratification with men, when it's not what he likes. Sure, human beings are complicated enough to go looking for some really weird stuff. But for a gay man, who is wired to be attracted to his own gender, or for a Lesbian who is wired to be attracted to other females, wouldn't perversion be to try mating with a person of the opposite sex? I think that's what perversion would be for us. Trying to make us live a lie by making us conform, that's where the perversion lies. Since being homosexual is no longer considered to be a mental disease,what could be less perverted than to follow our natural inclinations and seek love where it's the most natural to us?
If the only reason to call us ''perverted'' is because any sexual act is not going to be experienced with a view to procreate, then there are lots of human acts among straights that are perverted... They could even teach us a lesson or two. So which pot is calling the kettle black?
And if one argues that anal sex is perverted, well, yes, I guess you could say it is, since the function of that part of the body is not so much to receive as it is to get rid of waste. So vomitting is also a perversion, since that's not the way food is supposed to go, now, is it? What is interesting is that we are so strongly wired, as males, to go and stuff that little piece of flesh into another piece of flesh (it must be instinct, again, no perversion there in particular) that well, a vagina, a rectum, even a mouth... why not? will feel acceptable. Even our hands become the frequent receptacle of our lust. It's probably more perverted to try and fcuk the ground.
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Pervert to me , means someone who is attracted to little kids,
i have a fear of kids, so i have never felt that way about been gay, i have a type of guy that im attracted to and thats who it is for me,
hope u figure it out man 
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I can totally relate to feeling disgusted and questioning whether I am a pervert. When I was around 13 or 14 I started to feel a real profound sexual attraction to other boys. I would masturbate while thinking about them and feel really guilty. Mainly because I was sure I was the only one who thought like that. I once worked with a bunch of straight guys who drooled over women that walked by and made sexual comments about them. It's natural to be sexual and like sexual images. It's also natural to crave intimate relationships. So, I don't think that having a same sex relationship makes you a pervert. Both straight men and gay men have strong sex drives. Despite their high drives, straight men usually end up in an intimate relationship. It's natural. It's human. It's the way we are.
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I agree with DoubleOO7 it's human to want to bond, because we are social animals...
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