Shootings and violence

[trywait]

more often than not, life is imitating art

[bluefox4000]

We could say we're just savages by our nature. we still exhibit that primal violent aggressive side. We like to think we're civilized but........too cynical, yea? lol.

Mick

[Blue]

I'm all for gun control, not banning them. Make it hard to get one, require training, a background check, all of it but don't fault those of us that have the training, passed the background check and do carry. It just might be one of us that saves your life someday.

In every one of these school shooting, had there been a trained person with a legal sidearm there, each would have gone down much differently and, instead of kids dead and in the hospitals, we'd have one dead gunman and another facing trial for saving those kids.

Yes, if I ever have to use my sidearm, I will go to trial for it, no matter the reason, if I draw down, fir or not, on another human, I will go to trial. That's how it should be, it's bad news and will be hard on me if I have to do it, but, if that saves a life, I'll take my chances with a jury.

I don't want that right taken from me. I'm not fool enough to think the cops will always be there. As the saying goes, the police are only minutes away when seconds count.

[megumidesu]

i've heard lots of stories about guns saving people ~

i read an article (i'll post it if i can find it) about a woman who shot a man who had broken into her house (with the intent to kill her) to protect herself and her six week old baby ~
she called the police while he was breaking in and said that , because she knew she'd be dead long before they got there , she would do whatever she could to protect herself and her child .
they told her that she should .


so , guns do and can protect people ~ but if someone who is mentally unstable or something has one , that's when things are gonna go wrong ~

harsher restrictions on who can get them would be a good idea , obviously . a total ban wouldn't work , because lots of things are banned ... people who really want to have a gun will definitely find a way of getting one ~

[SolemnBoy]

Can I just point out here that media coverage of mass shootings might be one of the reasons why so many people decide to imitate the actions of others before them. Lonely outcasts of society notice all the attention the culprits of school shootings receive and decide to go for it themselves.

To me, the way everyone talks about things like that is close to being as disgusting as the deed itself. If the shootings were kept at a LOCAL level and didn't become worldwide news I'm convinced the number of mass shootings would decrease...

[Buffylo]

Can I just point out here that media coverage of mass shootings might be one of the reasons why so many people decide to imitate the actions of others before them. Lonely outcasts of society notice all the attention the culprits of school shootings receive and decide to go for it themselves.

To me, the way everyone talks about things like that is close to being as disgusting as the deed itself. If the shootings were kept at a LOCAL level and didn't become worldwide news I'm convinced the number of mass shootings would decrease...

People high up have an agenda that needs these things to keep happening, sadly.

[dfiant]

there are over 10 000 deaths per year in the USA due to guns, there are NO gun controls.

There are around 100 in Australia, there ARE gun controls.
There are about 120 in the UK, there ARE gun controls.
There are on average 8 in Japan, there ARE gun controls.

How many facts do you need to throw at idiots before they realise they are idiots and they are creating more problems than they are solving?

I'm talking of the NRA and the other idiots that support that 'more guns in circulation will control gun crimes' theory when the FACT that has already been proven that CONTROLS will only stop some fuckwit getting their hands on the mum's semi-automatic gun and murdering 20 6-7 year olds in a few minutes.

[Buffylo]

No gun controls? Are you high?

Gun related deaths account for a minute percentage of total deaths per year. Instead of wasting billions on something that isnt even near the top of the list (not by a long shot), why not put that money into finding cures for cancer, heart disease, medical malpractice, bad driving... you know, things that kill a lot more than guns do.

[dfiant]

No gun controls? Are you high?

Gun related deaths account for a minute percentage of total deaths per year. Instead of wasting billions on something that isnt even near the top of the list (not by a long shot), why not put that money into finding cures for cancer, heart disease, medical malpractice, bad driving... you know, things that kill a lot more than guns do.

That's exactly how I would expect an NRA aligned person from the USA to react

Costs money to put guns into circulation, costs money to clean up the mess of mass shootings, costs money to prosecute murdering shooters...but we will save money by not persuing restrictions and controls that could save some poor parent the agony of losing a 6 year old child to and 18 year old shooter

1 life saved by whatever means is worth more than the bloated, weighted arguement that the only way to fight gun crime is with guns.

[Buffylo]

That's exactly how I would expect an NRA aligned person from the USA to react

Costs money to put guns into circulation, costs money to clean up the mess of mass shootings, costs money to prosecute murdering shooters...but we will save money by not persuing restrictions and controls that could save some poor parent the agony of losing a 6 year old child to and 18 year old shooter

1 life saved by whatever means is worth more than the bloated, weighted arguement that the only way to fight gun crime is with guns.

1) guns arent put in to circulation by the government. Cost: 0. 2) The cost to "clean up" mass shootings, or hell, every shooting in the nation, pales in comparison to the healthcare costs of cancer alone, ignoring the numerous other high body count killers that drum up more corpses than guns do. 3) cost to prosecute shooters = wasted money. If there are enough witnesses and enough evidence to prove you did it; get you on the vein train to death town in 24hrs. We spend far more hording criminals that take lives than we do prosecuting them.

The only way to fight crime is with deterrence. If some where along the line you arent afraid of losing it all because you're crossing the line, youll do whatever you want.