06-24-2013, 11:20 PM
And as for astrology I see that as metaphysical, not physical, that is based on Jungian-energies rather than physical energies (such as gravity). So Venus and Mars have their effects in the chart as do the constellations, but this is because of what we as a species imbue them with at the level of the collective unconscious. So for example if Mars had instead been named Phobos then it would affect our fears and anxieties today rather than our passions and masculine sexuality. Had Leo been named the Swan then we would've imbued it with a completely different energy and thus Leos today would instead be Swans.
IOW, the energy doesn't come from the planets and stars it comes from US that is projected outward by countless people subconsciously that is then reflected back at us and shapes our subconscious (but so do other forces). Furthermore, this metaphysical energy is "energy" instead of "destiny." That is it shapes us more like wind and water on stone rather than dictates to us, but other factors also matter. Scorpio is an example of an especially intense energy in which those who deal with a lot of it are forced to "sink or swim" in it, and if they're strong enough (which often means they had the help they needed growing up) then they swim and become Eagles, but if they instead "drown" in it then they instead become the negative stereotype of the "gray lizard." This is why you can take 2 born side by side and one can become a life saving doctor and the other a drug abusing sociopath who kills in a fit of rage, because one was strong enough to survive the energy while the other was not. Or put metaphorically (to me this is an archetypical Scorpio that just overcome the energy of his sign so that it strengthened him instead of destroyed him):
That's true of all the other signs as well. For example, a Leo can be a cocky champion of the oppressed or a crass bully (see The Lion King for a good fable of that). To me Harry Potter represents the best manifestation of Leonine energies while Lucius Malfoy the worst manifestation of the same energy:
IOW, the energy doesn't come from the planets and stars it comes from US that is projected outward by countless people subconsciously that is then reflected back at us and shapes our subconscious (but so do other forces). Furthermore, this metaphysical energy is "energy" instead of "destiny." That is it shapes us more like wind and water on stone rather than dictates to us, but other factors also matter. Scorpio is an example of an especially intense energy in which those who deal with a lot of it are forced to "sink or swim" in it, and if they're strong enough (which often means they had the help they needed growing up) then they swim and become Eagles, but if they instead "drown" in it then they instead become the negative stereotype of the "gray lizard." This is why you can take 2 born side by side and one can become a life saving doctor and the other a drug abusing sociopath who kills in a fit of rage, because one was strong enough to survive the energy while the other was not. Or put metaphorically (to me this is an archetypical Scorpio that just overcome the energy of his sign so that it strengthened him instead of destroyed him):
That's true of all the other signs as well. For example, a Leo can be a cocky champion of the oppressed or a crass bully (see The Lion King for a good fable of that). To me Harry Potter represents the best manifestation of Leonine energies while Lucius Malfoy the worst manifestation of the same energy:
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