princealbertofb Wrote:Papua, Wade, lol... not Papa
First of all, I was just happy I spelled Guinea right.
Second of all, maybe I meant Papa New Guinea as a pun.... I didn't.
Third of all........ whatever.
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Strangely this joins in with the on-going debates about whether it's right to have access to pornography so easily today with the new media.
How can we protect children who are not ready to witness sex between adults (including some rather extreme acts of human sexuality - some would call them depravity) from being exposed to it when they are not even ready for it or looking for it?
There's a whole range of things that societies would love to control that would need more attention than two grown-ups having consensual sex, be it two males together, two females together, or be it between members of the same family. After all marriage between cousins (although not technically the same) has long been allowed, and we know there are risks there.
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partisan Wrote:Not even got time to it, call black white if you want.
Prince, non-consensual is wrong of course. But consensual sex between father & son is dirty and depraved.
A father & son relationship SHOULD be entirely different, unique and special. Not sex. No no.
I'd just like to point out that almost everything you've said to denounce incest has been used against homosexuality as well.
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SolemnBoy Wrote:I meant there's no real argument that it IS wrong other than what Pix said...
It's possible to legalize consensual incest between adults WITHOUT legalizing their permission to have children. I mean in the modern day of contraceptives and abortions the genetic arguments don't really work.
You can think it's wrong as much as you'd like. I mean, the thought of it does disturb me too. But just because I'm distured by it doesn't mean I'll completely ignore logic and rationality and wish to forbid it.
Also how can non-consensual incest be less wrong? If two siblings love each other and start a relationship is that worse than one sibling raping the other? O_O
So because theres contaceptives, its ok. Saying that argument doesnt work is crap. The natural outcome, we all know what it is! Just because you stop the outcome, doesnt mean it wouldnt have happened.
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SolemnBoy Wrote:I'd just like to point out that almost everything you've said to denounce incest has been used against homosexuality as well.
Two entirely different things, and what other people have denounced is not me.
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partisan Wrote:Not even got time to it, call black white if you want.
Prince, non-consensual is wrong of course. But consensual sex between father & son is dirty and depraved.
A father & son relationship SHOULD be entirely different, unique and special. Not sex. No no. It's the comparative MORE that I found interesting to discuss. I understand that they are both wrong for you, and many other people (I also find the situation would give me cause for concern, but I'm not sure I could assert its degree of harm or depravity in these very particular circumstances)... but why is the second one MORE wrong??? Is it because they should both know better? Is it because it's the ultimate taboo? What part of this is religion, or science, or society and law-based? As far as nature goes, it would probably be an anomaly, indeed. We need to remember that at any time, we could be forced to analyse and question societal, religious and scientific attitudes and knowledge, couldn't we? And then confront them with what is practice, whether it's standard or marginal. Otherwise would any society have come this far?
I'm not taking a stand on this, as it is not my position to judge or to condemn, or condone. But a solid argument, or tangent proof, is always more likely to sway than a personal judgement, which is all it is... personal opinion. Some personal opinions can also be very 'wrong', even when held by masses of people. We know of enough cases like that.
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Whether it's a natural anomaly or not is irrelevant. Besides, it really isn't; incest isn't all that uncommon within nature. Along with homosexuality, cannibalism, infanticide etc.
Nature can be a terrible source of morality at times.
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Prince, its not religous, science, society, or law based, or maybe all of them, for once i agree, its just how i feel and i dont condemn anyone, id probably still be friends with someone if they told me, but thats how i feel on this matter.
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princealbertofb Wrote:It may be that this older man you are considering dating had a good relationship with his father/lover and maybe he's trying to reproduce it. But are you sure that he's telling the truth about the man being his father? Or does he mean a father/son relationship, similar to the one you might be embarking on?
Yes, It was his father. I don't know how far the truth goes from him telling me. It could be his biological, adoptive, or step-father. Ether way I consider the man his father as in the man with or was with his mother and raised him with a large influence on his life.
I do feel he loved his father very much and had a great relationship with him before they went as far as sex, and continued as lovers. Also my assumption is that he is embracing the love his father had for him and sharing it with me as his 'son' , instead of trying to replace the father he lost. He doesn't have kids of his own and have been in the military from his early adulthood and is currently in a supervisory role in the Army.
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Excuse me for asking, but what are the chances of children being born from this instance (IE 2 Men)? :eek:
Don't cloud the issue.
Only one person has taken me up on my offer, There is another side to this which, interestingly I don't see being mentioned here..
Be careful of being judgmental,
Seldom are things this or that, / black or white, there are a lot of grey areas...
Just mentioning...
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