Why is it okay to criticize Christianity but not Islam?

[Dreamer]

How do I have a tone? I'm typing.

Tones aren't explicit only to sound.
(e.g. Oh, HELL NO!)

I can read between the lines.

You're clearly angry though because of the specific point you are trying to make. You hate religion. I get that and I'm trying to tell you the flaws in your point.

Pointing out that religion is the root of most of what is wrong with this world does not equate anger,
it equates a desire to see an end to it.

Yes, I hate religion.

You can hate something without being angry at it.

I can hate world hunger because it makes me sad, but I'm not angry at it.

Again, that does happen in religion. That does not always happen in religion as a rule though.

Brainwashing is not a rule, it's a requirement.

Like I said, previously:

Without it, religion would cease to exist.

I don't know where you are getting that.

I get it from 23 years of life experience dealing with religious fanatics,
and being one myself growing up.

Just because [B]some people do something, does not mean that all people like them do the same thing.

There are different ways to brainwash.

Finally, you are correct on something.

Brainwashing may bring up the cliche' stereotypical comical vision that many people think it to be,
but it comes in many variations, which can be extremely subtle, and undetectable.

That's the beauty of it.

I think that's called prejudice. You might want to rethink that.

I speak from experience and reason,
therefore, my stance is in no way prejudice.

Plenty of people choose to be religious. How can you assume that everyone is forced into it?

Indirectly being forced into something can be as simple as implying something to someone,
making them subconsciously question and ponder it down the line,
to a point where they want to try it out,
and once they do,
they're fed more mind games,
until their stuck in a whirlwind of mental-fuckery,
then finally: complacency.

It's a parasitic technique, really.

Things get more fun,
when someone is in a state of despair,
trauma, addiction, or giving up.
(At that point, they're simple prey.)

Yes,
in the end they choose religion,
but was it truly voluntary from the get go?
(no)

You're making personal attacks. I think that says enough about your motives.

Religion is very personal.

It drives people into utter delusion,
false hope,
and victim-hood from a slave-master relationship
with a make-pretend deity.

It's very personal.

Informing others of your beliefs is neither indoctrination nor brainwashing. It's information. You can choose to listen or ignore it, much like you are ignoring me. Or am I brainwashing you right now?

It's information with a purpose.
I need not again rant about what that purpose is,
or how it's subliminally instilled into others.

I'm in no way ignoring you.
I've replied to every statement you've made,
during this long exchange between us.

And quite frankly,
after this post,
I'm done responding to you on this matter.

I've made my point more than clear,
and you refuse to accept my side of this debate.

I agree to disagree.
The end.

If you listen to yourself, you are acting exactly like the religious fanatics that you hate. Your "logic" follows their exact patterns.

I'll agree to using similar, but not exact, "patterns".

It takes an eye for an eye,
for something to being implicated,
and accepted as the truth.

You can't fight a musketman with a toothpick.

You'll never win.

You have much in common, yet you think you are so different.

All we have in common is a passion to infiltrate one's mind with enlightenment.

The difference is theirs is of delusion, ignorance, fear, denial, and mental illness.

Mine comes from a place of truth,
intelligence, brutal honesty,
and a hope that humanity will one day break free
from this conundrum of stupidity called religion.

[Counselor]

I'm curious.

"Mixed Group" is right...


I got into a five minute tirade with a customer yesterday over my name (which is both uncommon and in the Bible). She was so excited, she wanted to tell me everything about my name (I already know what it means), and what my namesake did for the tribe of Israel...essentially, my namesake cursed a tribe and they were wiped out. Big shock. Mostly I couldn't stop thinking, "That wasn't me, so what? That isn't how I operate, unless I can wipe out Christian bigotry..." And the girl seemed so vacant, like the only thing that mattered to her were her religious studies...THAT is one thing I detest, religion occupying a person's mind until they have no room for their own thought.

[SeaDevil]

Prejudice is pre-judging based on anything. For instance, saying all churches are money-making rackets. Just because most of the more effeminate men I've slept with are bottoms, doesn't mean I should say being effeminate makes a person a bottom. It doesn't matter if it's from personal experience our not, the moment you add "all" to the mix, you're evoking a prejudice.

[VileKyle]

(a whole lot of personal beliefs and little fact)

Look dude, we're done here. You're making up some "tone" of mine in your own head, which only turns this more heated. I don't like anger in debates, which is all you're bringing here. Emotion clouds logic, which is why you can only think with your passion instead of seeing anyone as human. You can't accept that people who live different lifestyles than you can be perfectly happy without being forced. You're also being more prejudiced and bigoted than anyone I've seen on this site, which I do not tolerate. I feel really sorry for you because of that. Peace!

[Geminize]

Once a disagreement between two people turns heated on a forum like this, it's pretty pointless to continue. Religion, especially, is an emotional trigger for lots of people.

Kyle, we all convey a 'tone' in our writing. If the names are removed and you read posts by Bowyn Aerrow, Sylph, and Mr Tinx I think you'd be able to identify them by tone. Unfortunately, it's very easy to misinterpret someone else's tone in text alone. Something we could all keep in mind before posting a reaction to someone else here. Just sayin'.

[VileKyle]

Thanks, Gem. Everyone certainly has their own tone. I definitely feel like my tone was misinterpreted and entirely made up in his head, though. I'm not here to fling shit or disrespect anyone. In fact, I am here for the opposite.

[Counselor]

Prejudice is pre-judging based on anything. For instance, saying all churches are money-making rackets.

Can you name twenty that aren't?

[Sylph]

My Nana always says "Church(Religion) is in the Heart" .

People foolishly fight over the Physical manifestations of their religion, how their god looks, locations, foods and what not, while forgetting the true meaning of religion is a belief.

It's not the newest pair of shoes out...

And people often criticize and judge what they do not understand or fear. It will happen so long as these things happen. This is inevitable.

Like many people view my "Religion", however I do not view it as one, as a cop out. Not really believing in any god, but not denying there may be one and taking all the good from various religions "just to make sure". Which is completely inaccurate. And especially the specific branch of Agnosticism I believe in, which is Spiritual.

Oddly to me, the fact people do not believe in Naturalism and Spiritualism is very prevalent in a lot of religions and just human culture...

So people often look at me when I refer to Spirits and Nature as if though they were entities in the same light as us, which I believe they are, weirdly.

It's just really a lack of understanding...

Comprehension is a tool of the Wise, but a Sword to the Ignorant.

[Bowyn Aerrow]

In America, Liberals frequently demand that people not criticize Islam even when the criticism is deserved

Remember post 9-11-01.. oh wait you were six years old....

Ok so I will try to lay out the scene. In New York city the site of the two largest buildings of the City were smoking ruins. People were panics, terrified as the Pentagon appeared to be hit by a plane and another plane appeared to be piloted at high speed into the ground.

Immediately following that day, it came out that Islamic Terrorists had attacked the USA. What happened, guys in turbans and gals in Burqaa- innocent, American Citizens were under attack.

Immediately the Government started a campaign (albeit a poor campaign) to alert us to the TERROR while trying to tell us to not beat up our fellow Americans who looked Middle Eastern. The Sikh temple/Church in my local area was attacked and they are not Islamic - the reason why it was attacked? Because the men wore turbans.*

Today's 'don't bash Islam' is an outgrowth of trying to keep innocent people from being slaughtered in revenge.

Yes its political correctness, but like all political correctness there is a solid 'good reason' to have that PC attitude.

*Because the men wore Turbans:

You will discover in your life that most people are at best stupid, if not just downright moronic. Americans are the worst - many can't find Iraq on a map of the world, but they cheered when the bombs rained down on the cities of Iraq on CNN and FOX news.

As such, these sorts of people see only a turban and think Turban = Islamic Terrorist Extremist.

The same thing applied to every other minority - Pink Shirt = Fag, Black skin = Ignorant and Lazy, Brown Skin = Wetback, illegal immigrant. I fear it is like this for a lot of things and people.

Most people don't think, they react. In our modern world we have Politically Correctness which is the new modern 'standard' to give people basic common sense.

The push to not 'pick on' Islam is to prevent further blood shed and from opening the door to a Jihad against Islam....

[VileKyle]

(everything he said in the last post)

Thank you. You're a beautiful person in a world full of ugly.