12-19-2013, 04:24 AM
QUOTE=nfisher Both CFL's and LED bulbs are significantly more complicated than the venerable incandescent bulb. So one can expect higher cost and a higher failure rate.
[COLOR="Purple"]Im sorry, but they are not. I have been in a factory where they make LED lights, and even though they may take a chip in them, or a couple more tiny, TINY wires, they do not cost much more than standard bulbs to produce. And CFL's are nothing more than a kind of miniature fluorescent bulb, which is just as cheap to produce as a standard bulb. The gas they use is super cheap and the glass they use is super cheap.
If they wanted the CFL's to be long lasting and safe, they would have made them out of composite glass instead of regular glass, which can take a beating by a hammer, and still not break.[/COLOR]
The mercury problem is sickening. The government knew damn well people weren't going to be disposing of the CFL's in the recommended manner. They're all going to be just thrown in the landfill.
Of course the government wants to force the public to buy toxic bulbs, they get to charge more healthcare for it!!
LED holds much higher promise, but the complexity is a huge drawback. Each bulb must essentially have it's own power supply if we are to continue to use screw base bulbs. This issue could be designed around quite easily, by making new fixtures specifically for LED lights that incorporate their own power supply and doing away with the screw base for those fixtures. Putting a cluster of LED's into a screw base "bulb" is really pretty dumb when the fact that you're using LED's means the little lights could be arranged in almost limitless ways. There's a whole world of design possibilities that are not even being explored because .... well who knows why? People lack creativity maybe.
[B]They dont lack creativity, they are hindered by the conglomerates. They want the cheapest crap sold at the most expensive price. Ive seen the "square" LED bulbs with 6 LED's in them, and they were pretty damn bright. So they CAN make larger LEDs, if not make one LARGE LED bulb, but that would mean changing the production format and cutting into their profits.
Generally, any time government mandates technology they fuck it up because the people making the laws don't understand the technology. Rather than understand the technology, they take the advice of "experts" who are by and large employed somewhere that stands to make a fortune. Outlawing the incandescent bulb pretty much goes against every principle of freedom and a free market economy, too.
Isnt that what I said? Conglomerates own and run the government, and the government does what their owners tell them too.
The layers of technology that are mandated by the government create a lot of other problems nobody is talking about. The more complex the machine, the less reliable it will be over time. I don't give a fuck how fuel efficient a new car is compared to an old car when the old car could stay on the road for 40-50 years reliably if well maintained, compared with a maximum realistic figure of maybe 10 years for a new car. Anyone care to guess how much energy is expended in the manufacture of a new car? Basically it kind of negates the entire energy savings of the higher efficiency newer car.
[COLOR="Blue"]Yeah, thats what I was trying to say in another thread. Take the Toyotas....pieces of shit. Made to sell. Yeah, the engines may last 50 years with no big problems, but the REST of the car is a piece of garbage. I have test driven several brand new Toyotas, and they rattle and squeak going down the roads! One of them sounded like there were springs loose and bouncing around in the dashboard. Another one sounded like it was going to crack in half everytime you hit a small bump or pothole in the road!
The new cars eat up a LOT more maintenance than the old ones did. In the old carburetor vehicles, all you really needed to do was tweak the carb, change a filter, or change a solenoid....and it was CHEAP to repair and you could do it yourself. These new vehicles you HAVE to take to a mechanic, and they are just as expensive as going to a doctor, and the parts are extremely over priced. For what it cost for ONE tune up visit on a new model car, you could run a carburetor vehicle for a year or two.[/COLOR]
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[COLOR="Purple"]Im sorry, but they are not. I have been in a factory where they make LED lights, and even though they may take a chip in them, or a couple more tiny, TINY wires, they do not cost much more than standard bulbs to produce. And CFL's are nothing more than a kind of miniature fluorescent bulb, which is just as cheap to produce as a standard bulb. The gas they use is super cheap and the glass they use is super cheap.
If they wanted the CFL's to be long lasting and safe, they would have made them out of composite glass instead of regular glass, which can take a beating by a hammer, and still not break.[/COLOR]
The mercury problem is sickening. The government knew damn well people weren't going to be disposing of the CFL's in the recommended manner. They're all going to be just thrown in the landfill.
Of course the government wants to force the public to buy toxic bulbs, they get to charge more healthcare for it!!
LED holds much higher promise, but the complexity is a huge drawback. Each bulb must essentially have it's own power supply if we are to continue to use screw base bulbs. This issue could be designed around quite easily, by making new fixtures specifically for LED lights that incorporate their own power supply and doing away with the screw base for those fixtures. Putting a cluster of LED's into a screw base "bulb" is really pretty dumb when the fact that you're using LED's means the little lights could be arranged in almost limitless ways. There's a whole world of design possibilities that are not even being explored because .... well who knows why? People lack creativity maybe.
[B]They dont lack creativity, they are hindered by the conglomerates. They want the cheapest crap sold at the most expensive price. Ive seen the "square" LED bulbs with 6 LED's in them, and they were pretty damn bright. So they CAN make larger LEDs, if not make one LARGE LED bulb, but that would mean changing the production format and cutting into their profits.
Generally, any time government mandates technology they fuck it up because the people making the laws don't understand the technology. Rather than understand the technology, they take the advice of "experts" who are by and large employed somewhere that stands to make a fortune. Outlawing the incandescent bulb pretty much goes against every principle of freedom and a free market economy, too.
Isnt that what I said? Conglomerates own and run the government, and the government does what their owners tell them too.
The layers of technology that are mandated by the government create a lot of other problems nobody is talking about. The more complex the machine, the less reliable it will be over time. I don't give a fuck how fuel efficient a new car is compared to an old car when the old car could stay on the road for 40-50 years reliably if well maintained, compared with a maximum realistic figure of maybe 10 years for a new car. Anyone care to guess how much energy is expended in the manufacture of a new car? Basically it kind of negates the entire energy savings of the higher efficiency newer car.
[COLOR="Blue"]Yeah, thats what I was trying to say in another thread. Take the Toyotas....pieces of shit. Made to sell. Yeah, the engines may last 50 years with no big problems, but the REST of the car is a piece of garbage. I have test driven several brand new Toyotas, and they rattle and squeak going down the roads! One of them sounded like there were springs loose and bouncing around in the dashboard. Another one sounded like it was going to crack in half everytime you hit a small bump or pothole in the road!
The new cars eat up a LOT more maintenance than the old ones did. In the old carburetor vehicles, all you really needed to do was tweak the carb, change a filter, or change a solenoid....and it was CHEAP to repair and you could do it yourself. These new vehicles you HAVE to take to a mechanic, and they are just as expensive as going to a doctor, and the parts are extremely over priced. For what it cost for ONE tune up visit on a new model car, you could run a carburetor vehicle for a year or two.[/COLOR]
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