I never saw suicide as an option no matter what. Unless it was in some form of circumstance where let's the person is being tortured or something around those lines. I just feel like when life throws you certain events to you, it's for certain reasons. And one of those is to make you stronger. Not weaker. It's a touchy subject to say that those who attempt suicide, whether they succeed or not, are selfish. I personally think that it can be when many people who love that person are involved. Unfortunately, many won't see the true strength they hold within themselves and let the negative energies weaken them.
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I would say suicide is not an option if you have close family/friends
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It's like swatting a fly with a 20lbs sledgehammer. Overkill for problemsthat really aren't that big
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I don't think there is a right answer to this. Whenever people tell me, "Oh, suicide is an easy way out," I wanna ask them, "Oh, okay, how about you put a gun in your mouth then?"
Sorry, but I DON'T think that killing yourself is easy. It goes against human survival instinct. It's only under extreme emotional circumstances that people kill themselves, and I don't think getting to that point is an "easy" road.
I do think suicide is wrong. It's not the answer to anything. It's an act of desperation— nothing more, nothing less. My motto: endure the moment.
I've been suicidal before, and you just have to endure.The.Moment.
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Schopenhauer is a dark folk sometimes.
I do like his writings very much, though, but he is an existencialist and I can see someone commiting suicide after reaching some conclusions about life and existence.
Seems idiotic, but it's possible.
As for me, I don't think a line of thinking would lead me to suicide, but maybe too many problems I don't know how or can't deal with, well then I would like the freedom of blasting my own skull..
but, meh, haven't found myself in such a place yet.
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ivorybenz Wrote:I dont think suicide is acceptable. I may not have the greatest life, support or family but I still manage and if I can do that and live a life to my fullest, then so can others. Life can be difficult at times but more when your younger. But I must say, when you get outta school and get your own life (a job, bf/gf, your own place, etc.) life will get much better for you. My personal opinion.
Sorry to put it thus
You know not of what you speak......
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Woollyhats Wrote:I believe that life is inherently meaningful through simply being and experiencing life - if we so choose to add personal meaning to our experiences.
"I believe" is not an argument.
Meaning is a result of conclusion. But you just used tautology - Meaning of life is life - it is short formula of your thoughts. It is not logical conclusion - it is just tautology.
Personal meaning can be total nonsence. - if something is true only for the one it is not true at all.
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southbiochem Wrote:Schopenhauer is a dark folk sometimes. ))
southbiochem Wrote:I do like his writings very much, though, but he is an existencialist He is not an existencialist.
southbiochem Wrote:I can see someone commiting suicide after reaching some conclusions about life and existence.
Seems idiotic, but it's possible. I think It's possible.
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Irrespective
What I choose to do with my life, live it or not, should be my constitutional right. Ultimately, it IS going to be MY decision, whether or not you agree with my choice.
Furthermore, there should be Government funded institutions that facilitate this decision.
Let me bow out with dignity if and when I so choose.
I speak from experience, some of you will know that
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I think "right" or "wrong" are too black and white for a subject like this. Everyone has their reasons. Even though we are more similar than different, I don't believe we can ever fully know what it is like to be someone else. Not only are all of our individual lives different (and let's not even go into the whole "what you remember" vs. "what actually happened" debate), but all of our responses to our circumstances. You could take five people who just heard the news that their child had died and each would respond in their own way, both externally and internally.
I think it's very easy to judge someone based on what we see externally. It's very easy to cast judgment on someone who has committed suicide, or plans to/tried to, and to say that what they had to endure was "not that bad." What's very easy to forget, and perhaps cannot be fully understood unless experienced, is the idea of meaning. Suicide is not about pain. We all have pain in our lives, no matter who we are. However, not all of us can find meaning--or enough meaning to stay alive. And then, of course, people say, (to those who had children, spouses, significant relationships in their lives), "What about X? Did you not love them enough?" A large part of it is not about whether someone is "worth it" enough to stay alive. Depression is a crazy mind twister. It can rob someone of their entire personality. No, it is not easy to have someone's parent, spouse, boyfriend, etc. die on them. But it's also not easy to watch someone self-destruct and go into depression, to watch someone who was once so full of light and energy and personality be completely sucked under the dark clouds, to the point where they cannot even leave their bed because their pain is so significant. And when depression makes you so much of a burden to other people, the thought does enter your mind--logical or not, "right" or "wrong"--that everyone else would be so much better and could accomplish so much more if you weren't around. Depression isn't able to see silver linings, or to see that things will just "get better." (And please don't get me started on the whole "snap out of it" mentality because if it was really that easy, the sufferer would have done it already.) And so, from that point of view, suicide can almost be seen as an act of sacrificing the self for the better of everyone around them.
Sorry, I'm kind of rambling now. But, if nothing else, suicide is not (or not always) a "fuck em, I'll do what I want" type of thing. For those who have departed, they were not just thinking of themselves. Many were thinking of others, and really did believe their death would be the best way to serve those they loved.
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