Heaven or Nothing

[Virge]

12 years in a great private Catholic boys school wasn't enough to get me to take religion seriously. I think I was five, in church when it dawned on me that, "holy crap! These people really do believe all this silly stuff."

I have to thank my school for giving me a better understanding of what immortality is and how everyone can have it. We all had to take Latin which meant reading loads of stuff by loads of old dead guys. I learned the Roman concept of eternity and I'm working towards it rather than some totally incomprehensible "heaven."

Romans believed immortality was achieved by making their names remain alive, and 'always on the lips of men.' To do this they set out to do great things, good things and most of all, make the world a better and happier place.

If you want to see how good it worked make a list of all the Romans whose names you've heard of and more than likely you don't know what they did to still be remembered. If they can still be remembered after 2,000 years it looks like they've become immortal. I'm doing my best, by doing good and great things with my life to make sure people remember I was on this earth. If there's a heaven and that's not enough to get me through the gates I'll be happy anyway.

[50Plus]

Hi John T. Marren, its me, the other John.

Some comments and questions on your second post.

"I had unrestricted access to the White House ..." Really? Oh man, that would be so cool. What did you do with that kind of access - secret hiding places and the like? Do you have any pictures to share - I am an engineer and one of my hobbies is seeing how famous buildings were constructed. Yes, its a lame hobby, but I did say I was an engineer.

"I got shot at by bad guys on many occasions. I am still alive." Phew, you had me worried there. I was concerned that you had suffered some severe harm. Thank you for being still here.

"I went to Quantico at 7". No disrespect intended, but on the plane did they make you wear one of those silly placards that says 'UNACCOMPANIED MINOR'? I think those placards are appalling as it is just an open invitation for a paedophile.

".. because the American people are considered rain dead zombies ..." As a Canadian I cannot disagree with your comment. Although it is only those in the far deep south west of your country who are truly 'rain dead'. Did you actually mean brain dead?

"I know enough secrets to get me put in prison as a blabbermouth." Please please please, keep your mouth shut. None of us want you to go to prison. Prison is evil and the boys there only want you for sex, not for cuddling and hugging.

"Some gays like to act like faggots and think they are cute. Cute faggots piss me off." I am a faggot, but I am not cute. Some might say good looking, but I simply cannot do cute. At 6' tall and 185 lbs, cute just is not in my DNA.

"I dare anyone to insult me to my face. I will hurt you." Why would anyone wish to insult you? And why would you want to hurt us? Read meemee's post on Gay Culture. We are all part of the culture and all we really need is a hug (watch the clip of Donkey from Shrek).

"Someone must know how to check on me." I did find a phone number for a John T. Marren, but he is in Alexandria VA. You are in NYC (according to your driver's license) so it cannot be you.

"I may call someone and find out who you are." You don't have to call anyone, just ask. My name is John. I am Canadian. I am 51. I am gay. I want a boyfriend. But sometimes all I really need is a hug [just don't be a blabbermouth and tell Spree, cause I told him I don't like hugs - this can be our own little secret, OK?]

hugs and kisses to you

[Beaux]

I'm kinda scared and a little worried for the OP.
Doesn't seem like he is all there.


Or he really needs to share what he is smoking.

When he first joined the forum, I found myself reading his posts and feeling exactly the way you do. Eventually I realized that he suffers from serious delusions and learned to ignore him most of the time.
TBH, if I had actually looked and seen who started this thread before I opened it, I would never have read it.

[Jake]

Well, our brother and friend and my Canadian counterpart John has already did it, but here it is let me have a try at analyzing all this.

Seems to me that someone can check my reputation. J Edgar Hoover and Clyde Tolsen referred to me as their grandson. I had unrestricted access to the White House when Jack Kennedy, my cousin, was elected President. I had a terrific reputation as a US Marine Corps sniper [2363253 is my service number]. My license plate NY M 08383 came up as FBI agent on call.

Hmmm interesting, if that's true you can tell me how many time the maintenance staff clean the carpet in the Ovale office. How lunches are served. If I had like you unrestricted access to the white house, it also mean that you could just go ahead and spend some quality time with the president's children in their private quarters. Jack Kennedy your Cousin? No my friend, you were not Jack Kennedy cousin. What is the herald sign of the Kennedy family? And now J.Edgar Hoover considered you as its grandson... I'd be scared of that. No wife, no children, surrounded by hot, sweating military men, there was a rumor he was homosexual, but he brought the secret with him to its tomb.

I got shot at by bad guys on many occasions. I am still alive. I was classified to handle nuclear weapons and was happy with them as I was as a boy of 8 with a hand grenade. I went to Quantico at 7 and was better on firing line than adult agents of the FBI.

Which bad guys? Who were they. Aaron Swartz (google him if you don't know who he was) was considered a bad guy by your government, are you talking about these kind of bad guys or the bad guys that your government provided with weapons?

Most of my work is still kept secret because the American people are considered rain dead zombies who will vote for anyone the media nominates. I know enough secrets to get me put in prison as a blabbermouth. Do you know how to kill 100,000 people in NYC and not get caught. I do. I was a consultant on terrorism. Did anyone ever ask your opinion? Edgar and Clyde asked mine. The Kennedys listened to my opinions.

And yet John you come on a public forum and deliberately gives away details about yourself and your "so called life" if all that was true, I can guarantee you that you'd be in jail already or fried on the electric chair. Because we all know the military has a different set of laws, if you're a treat they have the license to kill. So what do you know about terrorism, in the Irak war, who was the bad guys? A president who was looking for mass destruction weapons which he never found, or a tyrant dictator that had the path of oil on its sides. Both were the bad guys, how did you make the difference? John, were you trained to think for yourself?

I didn't see you hanging out the window of the book depository in Dallas. I was asked as a man to take care of things. Some gays like to act like faggots and think they are cute. Cute faggots piss me off. I risked my life on a daily basis. I bet most of you guys don't like to take risks.

That right there John show's your train of thoughts and ignorance, while you call yourself gay, you keep on bashing gays thinking that we're all a bunch of sissies. The fact that you went in the army and secret services (which I seriously doubt) doesn't make you more of a man than I am or anybody else in this forum are. is the definition of true manship is based on violence, power? Faggots? What is that John, are you gay or not. Faggots is pejorative and you know it, and like every human on this planet there's not just one type of gay. Now let's imagine just a second a gay world filled with men like you wants gay people to be.

I dare anyone to insult me to my face. I will hurt you.

John every men is capable of killing, even an innocent baby aged 3 years old can take a kitchen knife and trust it in your chest. We all have the instinct of killing. I have 20 years of training as a Shaolin Kung Fu plus I know how to shoot guns, jump from a running plane etc. Why because I liked it and was in the Militia myself, but I don't believe that you're the only one that can kill. Sure you got trained, but I'm more scared of someone that haven't been trained than a master in combat. Why? Because when they fight it's their instinctive survival that comes up and it can be much more dangerous and more unpredictable than a fully trained agent. Most specialists and soldier knows that. You are not invincible. If I had a reason to insult you to your face I would.

I would rather die than be beaten by anyone including today. I still have a temper and don't intend to give it away.

Keep the peace and you'll never have to fight.

Someone must know how to check on me. Every bonding company has my fingerprints and DNA. Call someone and find out who I am. I may call someone and find out who you are. You would be surprised if you saw how much information on you is contained in your FBI file.

And why would we do that. You're this so call big time secret agent and we are those poor faggots trying to make a living, why would someone check up on you. Hey everybody forget all you're doing and let's all be frighten by John because he asked us to. John this is really pathetic.

The name is John T. Marren, I am an Honorably Discharged marine. Come see me and dare me to fight. Throw the first punch and I will wipe the streets with you. I am only passive aggressive in print. On my feet I am always aggressive.

Drop all your weapons John and I can guarantee you I can kill you in less than 5 minutes Marines or not. Stop that already, superman is fiction... just like your post here.

[Jake]

Oh John... Look what I found

http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/hartfor...=156463697

Internet is magical isn't it?

[50Plus]

Should John T. Marren suffer from a significant mental illness I would hope that we are respectful of him and do not poke fun or insult him. Being dellusional can be a sign of mental illness.

From experience, mental illness is a hellish beast to live with.

[Jake]

Should John T. Marren suffer from a significant mental illness I would hope that we are respectful of him and do not poke fun or insult him. Being dellusional can be a sign of mental illness.

From experience, mental illness is a hellish beast to live with.

Totally agree, however it is as much important not to let their delusion get the best of them. And always present the fact back at them. Gilhoony , is not at his first post here, but I can tell you that it did improve since if you go to its first posts you'd see the difference in all its driveling, previously you could go for pages of James Bound like stories, he would also reply to each and everyone of us not addressing any of the comments and just keep on rambling.

I'm no clinical psychologist, nor a doctor (well I am but not that kind of doctor lol) but I can tell improvement when I see one. And yet, who knows if he's not telling the truth, we actually don't know him, obviously not all is true, but he could indeed have been in the Marines and came back completely changed like I have met so many.

[Charon]

Uhm...For the moment I'll jump over some of your other accomplishments but I'd like to take up the God and Galaxies thing. Fifty years ago I wasted several years, apparently, getting PhDs in both Physics (Particle Theory) and Applied Mathematics. You say God is otherwise occupied preventing Galaxies from colliding...which Galaxies did you have in mind? Something that Hubble has missed? Actually, on request, or you could Google it yourself, there are pictures of Galaxies colliding but perhaps that's where God is, out undoing what is already underway.

Oh, and I'm sort of a "John" I'm a Johan. Well, to be fair, I'm a Petr-Johan but surely I get half credit...
Actually, on a dare, I tried being a "john" but I must have got it wrong, they paid me.....

What's your opinion of Lithium both as a member of the periodic table and as a potential consumer?

P-J

[Beaux]

I'm kinda scared and a little worried for the OP.
Doesn't seem like he is all there.


Or he really needs to share what he is smoking.

You couldn't pay me enough to take a hit off what he is smoking, I am not sure exactly what it is, but I am leaning towards meth...

[gilhooly]

I can pass a polygraph on everything I write. I could levitate as a child. I loved to jump into the body of a condor in the Andes.

My world is somewhat connected to your world. We both live on the same planet. My reality is different from yours. I am and always have been cold sober and drug free.

I live my life in accordance to the rules set down by a prophet called Mrs. Gallagher. She died in 1963. I regularly enjoy the company of the dead. I will join them when I stop breathing. I am stuck on this planet with you.

My posts get thanks. My threads are ignored or not believed. Your choice!!!!! I know exactly what will happen to me when I die. It makes me grin and I feel superior to others who are confused by life and death.

When I met Tom on 6/21/68, I offered him a thousand dollar bill or my friendship. Tom grinned and set fire to the bill. He preferred me to money. I swooned and we agreed to spend eternity together. That's the plan and I will not change it for you,

Tom and I wish you GOOD LUCK. Thousands of years from now, Tom and I will still be as one.

I will confine my GaySpeak writing to posts on your threads. I have free will and my life belongs to ME.