Bored, so here's an idea I've been fiddling with...The Universe, "Big Bang" Part 2

[BYoNexus]

Hi, its me again, the quiet GS lurker lol.

Last year, I made this post: http://gayspeak.com/showthread.php?t=28785

Dealing with an idea I have about the Big Bang. This is basically a slightly more updated version of it. Tl;Dr - this is my personal hypothesis, based on a layman knowledge of the universe, and I am not trying to pass this off as anything professional.

What was the Big Bang?

Hypothesis: The Big Bang Singularity was a white hole, which was caused by a massive black hole which exploded.

What is a black hole?

Hypothesis: A black hole is simply an object, like a neutron star, that has absorbed enough matter to form an event horizon.

This black hole would have had to have absorbed the entire mass of the visible universe into a single singularity. The gravity of which would tear the elements down beyond its most basic element, to some non-element, or prior-element.

It would take a black hole, reaching a ciritical mass, before the force of gravity condensing the matter together is overwhelmed by the force pushing outward, due to the state of compression on the matter it contains.

This might account for the inflation of the early universe as the dense material of the black hole going from a non-element form into the first elements on the periodic table, hydrogen and helium.

Now, let's say there are more of these black holes. So far beyond the edge of our visible universe that we have yet to observe them. These gravity wells would be pulling on our universe, accelerating the expansion.

This hypothesis also explains Dark Matter; as being the gravity from other black holes so large as to already possess nearly the equivalent mass as our own universe.

Conclusion: The universe, and everything beyond, is just one big matter recycling process which is driven by gravity on a greater scale then we currently can observe.





Predictions:

- If the universe were to be accelerating instead of slowing down, due to the gravity of other unobserved Big Bang singularities.

- If gravity was significantly disproportioned to the observed matter in the universe.

- There would be galaxies that seem to move counter-intuitively to the rest of the observed galaxies. To put it simply; if the universe is spreading outwards, there would be galaxies that are moving inwards.
- Light from other universes would not be visible, as the lgiht has been redirected by the gravity of other local big bang type singularities.

[Cuddly]

I'm no master of physics, by any means, but a few things are bothering me.

First, I thought the universe was the definition of simply everything, as in, there is nothing beyond it.

Second, how can you tell if the universe is spreading outwards or if anything is moving inwards? To know that, you would need to find the centre of the universe. Unless some math wizard is able to calculate where every planet originated from, by reversing the individual orbits and backtracking the spread of matter from the big bang, there's no way to find the centre, which I assume is where the big bang originated from.

Third, just to be sure I'm understanding you correctly, the black hole is like a baloon constantly sucking matter into it until the outwards pressure of the matter exceeds the inwards pressure of the baloon, at which point it bursts and forms another universe.

[BYoNexus]

I'm no master of physics, by any means, but a few things are bothering me.

First, I thought the universe was the definition of simply everything, as in, there is nothing beyond it.

Second, how can you tell if the universe is spreading outwards or if anything is moving inwards? To know that, you would need to find the centre of the universe. Unless some math wizard is able to calculate where every planet originated from, by reversing the individual orbits and backtracking the spread of matter from the big bang, there's no way to find the centre, which I assume is where the big bang originated from.

Third, just to be sure I'm understanding you correctly, the black hole is like a baloon constantly sucking matter into it until the outwards pressure of the matter exceeds the inwards pressure of the baloon, at which point it bursts and forms another universe.

- The universe is defined as everything astronomers have been able to see so far, or everything that came out of the Big Bang. What is beyond the 'edge' of the galaxy is unknown.

- Scientists determined that the universe is expanding, exactly because they've done the math, and have traced the expansion back to a point, which is what they call the Big Bang singularity. They do not yet know what this singularity was though.
Also, through careful measurements, they've determined that the universe's expansion is accelerating. Originally, it was assumed that the gravity of the known universe would cause the expansion to slow down as time went by. The opposite is true, however.

- Not exactly. What Im saying, is that a black hole is similar to a neutron star. It is a spherical object, which pulls matter down to its surface from anything that it consumes, which in turn causes it to grow larger, which gives it more gravity. Eventually, when the gravity becomes too great, an event horizon forms; which is just a point near the object where light can no longer escape, and gets pulled in as well.

Think of it like Earths Atmosphere; There's the surface of the planet, which would be the black hole itself, then the edge of our atmosphere would be the event horizon. Any light that reaches the atmosphere is pulled down to the surface, and none escapes. So from another location, looking towards earth in this example, we would only see a black sphere that is larger then the planet itself. Since light can no longer escape, it is no longer reflected back at us, and so we cant see anything inside the event horizon.

What Im saying is that all the matter in the black hole is compressed by its own gravity. Most elements, being complex to some degree, would be torn down into its most basic forms, which would be hydrogen and helium, until the gravity reaches a point where even these basic elements are pulled apart, forming a dense sphere of atoms, but no actual elements.
At some point, the compressing force of gravity can no longer counter the exploding force of the material inside the black hole, and so inflation occurs; where all the atoms in a non-elemental state come together to form hydrogen and helium, followed by a big Bang type event.

[BYoNexus]

It was late when i posted this, and forgot to mention that anyone with any thoughts on this, feel free to post them

[50Plus]

At work, should be working, so not giving this response as much as I should.

I believe that our universe could easily be a continuum and we are merely in the midst of that continuum. Which causes our species to think that the universe is constantly expanding.

I foresee situation where we are simply in the expanding phase. At a distant point in the future, the universe turns back in on itself and recycles everything and the process starts over again. It is therefore difficult to see it as a Big Bang, or merely the phrase you used of being an Event Horizon.

In some ways it is like the hydrologic cycle. Water falls as rain, gets collected in to creeks, then lakes, then rivers, then to the oceans, where it is heated and rises and ultimately falls as rain again thus starting the process over. Being a simple observer within the continuum (say on the lake), it would appear that water constantly flows to a distant point. Our universe is similar to a river, yet it flows in all three directions before ultimately being directed back to the original event horizon.

I say this because I believe humans are an arrogant and ignorant species. We believe we know so much and believe our pathetically inferior technology is capable of making observations of the end of the universe. I think we know far less than what is possible, with a lot of the reason being our own arrogance. Outside of a certain vice president, none of us want to admit not knowing what we don't know.

[BYoNexus]

I foresee situation where we are simply in the expanding phase. At a distant point in the future, the universe turns back in on itself and recycles everything and the process starts over again. It is therefore difficult to see it as a Big Bang, or merely the phrase you used of being an Event Horizon.

I wasnt implying that the universe is an event horizon of a black hole. I think you misread the explanation a bit.

I was speculating that the big Bang event was a black hole exploding after it had gathered enough matter; somewhere around the total mass of our universe.

I also mention how I propose that a black hole is similar to a neutron star, except with enough gravity to form an event horizon, but only as an explanation for what a black hole is, since science does not have an explanation yet.

Thanks for the reply