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New ISIS Beheadings . . . How long?
#11
Thus far I've been intentionally avoiding seeing any news on the be-headings. I didn't want to be that guy, that flocks to the sensationalism giving an audience to the villains capable of such acts. I also generally have enough empathy that seeing such things would surely scar me for life.

Last night they showed several of the recent guys whom were be-headed on the news, on their knees before their captors minutes before the heinous acts was done. I have to admit that I was a little in awe of the calm on the victim's faces. I have no idea how I would react were I in the same situation, but I hope it's with as much pride and dignity that they showed.
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#12
While there are goverments and private ownership of the means Of production there will be war, therefore the posibility to extinguish ourselves. No masters, no kings!
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#13
None of you except Saleem knows and understands the problems. He lives with the problems and sees them everyday. I SAW the problems with my own eyes during 22 months in Afghanistan. Do I hate Muslims? HECK NO! I despise Islam for being such a cruel ideology. It's not just a religion. It dictates every detail of life for Muslims and it is not like anything people in western nations have experienced. While there as a US marine I SAW what they have to endure and have complete sympathy for them.

Let me explain ... In western culture people have no context to understand Islam. Step into middle eastern/Islamic culture and they do. There's no way to understand schools that indoctrinate children into the same ideology of violence and hate that has dominated children there for longer than any of us can imagine.

Here's some things I SAW in Afghanistan.........................................

There's no way to understand how a legal system condones beating and disfiguring women as punishment for disagreeing with a husband.

Try to understand how a man can kill his own daughter for refusing to marry a man he "sold" her to for a dowry and still carry pictures of her to show to people and tell how wonderful and smart she was. He explained having killing her as saving her from a lifetime of dishonor.

Try to understand how uncles and brothers of a young teenager could take him far from the village, tied hands and feet, throw him on the ground, cut off his penis, stick it in his mouth and then run over his legs four times from feet to hips before running over his head to kill him.... just because he was thought to be a homosexual.

There's no way in western culture to understand that in their legal system a man paralyzed in a robbery can demand the robber be paralyzed. If that seems "high on drama" it is only because you're trying to perceive it from a perspective immersed in western culture. This is Sharia Law. http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/...hment?lite

Try to understand how men guilty of a gang rape of Muslim boy would be given automatic death sentences however gang rapping a non muslim is not even a crime (as in the case of Matthew Shepard or nay of hundreds of non Mulsim men and women)

Those things are not exceptions under Islam; they are the norm. Speaking of them is not an effort to worry people or incite fear. Those words are spoken to give an illustration of how much is to be understood.
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Here’s a start to understanding.

Imagine that Christianity is the worship of three gods, not one and has worship services in which Christians re-enact the eating of human flesh and drinking of blood.

That’s how many Muslims perceive Christians. That’s what they’ve been taught to believe. Now flip that and realize that most people in Europe & the USA have equivalent misconceptions about Muslims and Islam.

In the west all of us are aware our politicians and media mislead us and we speak out against them for it – and openly express our distrust. It’s similar for them because they’ve been misled but in a way that’s unlike us. For them under Islam where religion and government are interlinked and media is controlled by government and religion the deceptions are enormous. Not only that, but to speak out or even question the honesty of leaders or governments and religions is an easy way not to only wind up dead but see your family killed first. The use of terror starts there.

Why do they not revolt against it? For the average citizen in a Muslim nation a sense of luxury boils down to nothing but an acceptable level of misery and stability. They have known no other way of life for more generations than democracy has existed. For them corruption of public officials and police is expected as a daily part of existence. If you have a relative in prison and want to see him you must pay guards. Judges settle more court cases based on bribes and favors than law. If a town leader wishes to marry your daughter and you refuse everyone knows you’ll be punished for it. If a politician hires you to build him a house, you don’t bid on it – you do it for the price he offers to pay and then return money to him for his generosity for giving you his business.

When you begin to discuss religion you cannot compare Islam to Christianity or Judaism because Islam has one huge difference from them. Before Christianity Jewish scholars and judges had put together their two Talmuds in which much of the law of the Torah was updated and mollified. Christianity rejected the Talmuds but kept the Jewish scriptures in all their severity but in time mollified them by applying the gentler teachings of Jesus.

In the Quran there are no less than one hundred and twenty warnings dictated by Mohammed that the words of Allah and his own cannot be changed, ignored or not observed under penalty of death. For 1300 years that has not changed in either Sunni or Shia sects of Islam which comprise over 97% of Islam. As Mohammed did and said, Muslims today must do and say… without question or reservation. Islamic law at its core is totally incompatible with everything that makes western civilization’s legal principles what they are. Under Islamic law human rights legislation is an abomination because it does not originate in the teachings of Mohammed. Freedom of Speech is a sacrilege. Trial by jury? They are compelled by their religion to adhere to the tribal justice of 7th century Bedouins. A failure to adhere to and practice their laws is the same as a rejection of Islam and punished by death.
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#14
Saleem Wrote:Islam is religion of peace (come Pakistan to know how much true it is) its a big joke, do some criticism on Islam in front of a Muslim and get ready to be beheaded.
what to say about ISIS thinking, every other Muslim thinking is same to ISIS and they are praising their work. You can find many streets here (in Pak) having wall chaking for ISIS support.
I tried to post an image of such wall chalking but I couldn't I have to be 50 posts at least.

Hi Saleem. Welcome to Gayspeak.

Send the images to me and I will post them for you.

Check your private messages here for my email.
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#15
Festino Wrote:Perhaps first world countries should stop invading poor countries to begin with, It isnt fair to claim this or the next fanatic is evil when "highly civilized" fly over children and bomb them to pieces, or what is even more psycopatic, pilot a robot and kill them without even being there.
Want to stop the middle ages in muslim countries? get capitalism to stop hammering them into dust, then there will be peace


You're misguided and need to read more in order to understand the issue to have a sensible opinion about it.

More women and children have been killed my Muslims than by "highly civilized" nations attempt to intervene. Drone flights are very precise and take out military or terrorist targets with carefully managed destruction.

As far as wanting to stop the middle ages --- capitalism has nothing to nothing to do with it.
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#16
Christianity had its day.... Inquisition, Crusades, Witch hunts, Puritanical-ism, what about that whole 'love the scientist, hate the science by killing the scientist' phase?:confused:

Lest we forget the missionary work done in the name of Christ in order to advance White Man's religion around the world. how many innocent died via trickery and deceit? At least with Islam they make it clear what they really feel....

Be-headings by a few extremist groups is nothing to the Church Sanctioned whole sale slaughter through the centuries handed down by The Church.

Modern ugly Islam is a product of not so long western meddling in the Middle East.

Lets take a look at Iraq... 1950's it was liberating women, and all sorts of crazy modern stuff:




Then came the cold war. Remember Bin Laden was a US Asset for the CIA, he was trained by the USA to fight the Soviet Union in um Afghanistan.... think he was the only one?

Saddam was the USA's poster boy. Loved and most likely propelled to his office with a little help from his North American Friends. Shaw of Iran, Hostage Crises, Iraq War I Iraq war II... And between these two wars Clinton made certain to keep regular bombings on Iraq to keep them in the stone age.

Islam was a peaceful religion 60 years ago, we in the west antagonized, tortured, used, abused and divided up the middle east and set the world on fire. We forced Israel into Palestinian land. This is akin to the Native American's declaring they want Manhattan back because it was a raw deal.

We made Islam what it is. We made the terrorists. We voted to allow bush Jr to wage more war and make more martyrs and angry young men who cling to extremist Islam just like early persecuted Christians turned angry and turned the table on the globe.

We cannot go over there and bomb their babies to death and expect them to turn the other cheek. We cannot possibly seriously think that our meddling, our using and abusing them, our thefts of so much from them isn't going to bring about a bit of well placed hatred.

Did we learn? Nope. 9-11 was a CRIME not an Act of war.... Did we treat it as a crime? Nope, treated it as a war. Then got side tracked with finishing off Saddam because 9-11 clearly wasn't that important.

What message did we send to those people? We hate Islam - period. That is only going to make Muslims angry and dig deeper into the Qur'an to find the passages that justify killing.

Trust me, the bible has many of those exact same passages where God clearly wants us to wipe out everyone who is not us - what Islam calls Infidels.

Hatred breeds only more hatred. Rolleyes
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#17
Bowyn you obviously read nothing of what I wrote or just chose to ignore it.

You made some mistakes and pulled some nonfactual information out of the sky and it's not worth wasting time trying to reason with you about something you think you know more about than people who've lived through it and escaped from it. In your spare time seek out secular muslims and ask them and take their word and try to tell them you know more about what they experienced than they do.
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#18
Of course, you're right, Virge.

Only you and your anointed have a clue about the topic, and your former active combatant status in a hostile country certainly had no effect on your objectivity.

We sit in awe of your supremacy of knowledge and your forbearance to tolerate the feeble babblings of the rest of us.

Thank goodness here you are here to put the rest of us straight, no matter how many condescending introductory phrases you throw out to make sure we know it is only out of our gross ignorance that we opine. And how wise to avoid reasoning with dissenters. What possible good could that do?

I'm so glad you're not a prick who dismisses everyone else who disagrees with you. How irksome that would be.

Thank you for taking the time to rebut everyone posting here. I'm sure it has taken away from your time sitting by the phone, waiting for the State Department to call and summon you to serve with your flawless insight. We know-nothings thank you for your generosity.
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#19
Virge Wrote:You're misguided and need to read more in order to understand the issue to have a sensible opinion about it.

More women and children have been killed my Muslims than by "highly civilized" nations attempt to intervene. Drone flights are very precise and take out military or terrorist targets with carefully managed destruction.

As far as wanting to stop the middle ages --- capitalism has nothing to nothing to do with it.
Well the talibán weré created by the usa, idi Amín dada was a uk soldier, pakistan was separated from india thanks to the uk, the usa sold weapons to irán and iraq, the usa put the sha in poder and helped him maim the soul Of irán, hell the us goverment supports every crazy thing israel does on palestinians. ¿How precise is a bomb, does It have special drone bomb powers to stop the blast from killing inocent?

Here is a question, if It was the other way around and the usa has been invaded for the last century by súper powers, usa dwellers had been striped from their lands and ridiculed by their stupid ideas of liberty and patriotism, if they has been raped and killed, kidnaped and dissapared , wouldnt they feel angry? Wouldnt they be beheading iraqi news reporters and saudi turísts?? Or maybe you feel like saying "people should know when they are conquered"?
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#20
Festino ----

I'll stay on the side of secular muslims about Islam. If you want to play word games there's a section here in gayspeak for them.
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