06-21-2015, 04:31 AM
The best I can do is point to three instances of same gendered love that is in the bible.
1st Samuel - The story of Johnathan and David.
In order to really get it, forget everything that the pulpit has said about these two men. Instead read the story and really think about how it is working out. For Instance, take Saul (John's Dad) he gets really, really upset about their relationship. Seriously if they were 'just friends' why would Saul be so.... um... homophobic about it?
Then there is the book of Ruth. Ruth and Naomi, once again, have to be read without the context of all of those 'interpretations' that the Church has shoved down our throats. Two women who are in love with each other.
In both of these cases God blessed these couples - David went on to become the king of Israel.
Then there is the Centurion and his Slave. (Luke 7). What modern churches fail to mention (or gloss over) is that the word slave isn't just meaning a slave - it comes from the Greek Pais, which is a special kind of slave - a young man/boy assigned to polish and repair his Centurion's armor and sword and polish his.... well, erm.... ... well typically for Centurions they spent a goodly amount of time away from home. It was accepted custom that they would know their pais in the biblical sense. This was considered 'not cheating' on the wife back home in Rome.
Further, Church hates to mention anything about Roman Culture. For instance, the Centurion risked a lot going to a local medicine man of the newly conquered nation of Israel that was a pain in the butt for Rome. That was a huge no-no and the centurion could have lost his job and his life if his Commanding Officer(s) found out.
Secondly, his actions/reaction over a mere slave (just property) was too intense - he went to Jesus for help for someone he cared deeply about.
Until the 1300's the Catholic Church married same gendered individuals openly. Then it went 'into the closet' until the 19th century where the Church abolished the act.
The reality is that those verses that are used to condemn homosexuality are not condemning homosexual sex done in an act of love, they are condemning such things as Moloch worship (that Leviticus line about lying with a man like with woman wasn't about love - it was about the acts of the worshipers of Moloch. Go, find the whole chapter and read the whole chapter and see what else the worshipers of Moloch were 'condemned' for.
The bible also prohibits fornication (which is something that only a man and a woman can do because it requires both a penis and a vagina - sorry, the modern use of fornication to imply same gendered sex is way off base). It also prohibits a lot of other 'sex for the sake of sex' stuff that straight people do.
True or False: God is love.
If True, then if you love this guy and are intent on sharing your lives together and being a united being (two souls becoming one) than that sex you two have (yes even if its BDSM) is ok as long as it is out of love and sharing - intimacy.
If False, then God lied about a lot of stuff and its best to run - as far and fast as you can from this God Person.
Sadly, in the past 200 years the churches (denominations) have set about condemning homosexuality which really wasn't called homosexuality until the mid 1800's.
The Greeks had several words for specific types of homosexuality. That passage in the King James version about effeminate and abusers of themselves with mankind are from two made up words - words that the Author combined from existing Greek - which leads us to have to wonder why if he was condemning same gender sex why didn't he just use the Greek words that already existed?
Well one - effeminate (from a Greek word meaning 'soft') Which is a form of femininity, but not like 'swish and lisp' kind, but the kind that the rich had. Back in those days the rich would be soft, soft hands, soft of body to show they labored not. This was condemnation of the Rich. Considering Jesus' take on the rich that makes sense.
As for the other word.... well its way to long to try to explain, so a link: http://www.clgs.org/arsenokoit%C3%A9s-an...nsequences
Understand that there are many gay Christians in the world. Many have come to accept that homosexuality in the form of love is ok, but homosexuality in the form of lust isn't ok. Which stands up to the rest of the bible which harps on the straights over 600 times about the difference between love and lust. Its not that the straights need more guidance... Well maybe they do.
There are a lot of sites out there that will give you a different interpretation than the so called 'traditional' one of 'hate the gay'. https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=Gay...+the+bible gives many, many sites, some argue both sides, some argue one side.
It boils down to faith here. Do you honestly believe God would create you, your BF, me, and millions of others who are desirous of love with a person of the same gender then turn around and condemn that love?
I for one do not, I flat refuse that God is a cruel trickster - that would be Loki, or Coyote, or one of the manifestations of "The Devil".
There are gay Affirming Churches out there. http://www.gaychurch.org/find_a_church/ is a finder. Go find a church that you two can go to that meets your particular brand of faith (yes there are individual catholic churches that actually have a positive, affirming take on homosexuality) and talk to the pastor/priest, head high guru - whatever and see what comes of it.
If your BF cannot accept himself and his ability to love another man, to cleave to another man, then that is something that he has to take to the Lord in Prayer.
Print up what I wrote (if you want) and hand it to him.
Lastly, which is words to him, Test the spirits - This means weigh in your heart your true feelings for this man. Do you honestly believe God condemns your love for this man?
1st Samuel - The story of Johnathan and David.
In order to really get it, forget everything that the pulpit has said about these two men. Instead read the story and really think about how it is working out. For Instance, take Saul (John's Dad) he gets really, really upset about their relationship. Seriously if they were 'just friends' why would Saul be so.... um... homophobic about it?
Then there is the book of Ruth. Ruth and Naomi, once again, have to be read without the context of all of those 'interpretations' that the Church has shoved down our throats. Two women who are in love with each other.
In both of these cases God blessed these couples - David went on to become the king of Israel.
Then there is the Centurion and his Slave. (Luke 7). What modern churches fail to mention (or gloss over) is that the word slave isn't just meaning a slave - it comes from the Greek Pais, which is a special kind of slave - a young man/boy assigned to polish and repair his Centurion's armor and sword and polish his.... well, erm.... ... well typically for Centurions they spent a goodly amount of time away from home. It was accepted custom that they would know their pais in the biblical sense. This was considered 'not cheating' on the wife back home in Rome.
Further, Church hates to mention anything about Roman Culture. For instance, the Centurion risked a lot going to a local medicine man of the newly conquered nation of Israel that was a pain in the butt for Rome. That was a huge no-no and the centurion could have lost his job and his life if his Commanding Officer(s) found out.
Secondly, his actions/reaction over a mere slave (just property) was too intense - he went to Jesus for help for someone he cared deeply about.
Until the 1300's the Catholic Church married same gendered individuals openly. Then it went 'into the closet' until the 19th century where the Church abolished the act.
The reality is that those verses that are used to condemn homosexuality are not condemning homosexual sex done in an act of love, they are condemning such things as Moloch worship (that Leviticus line about lying with a man like with woman wasn't about love - it was about the acts of the worshipers of Moloch. Go, find the whole chapter and read the whole chapter and see what else the worshipers of Moloch were 'condemned' for.
The bible also prohibits fornication (which is something that only a man and a woman can do because it requires both a penis and a vagina - sorry, the modern use of fornication to imply same gendered sex is way off base). It also prohibits a lot of other 'sex for the sake of sex' stuff that straight people do.
True or False: God is love.
If True, then if you love this guy and are intent on sharing your lives together and being a united being (two souls becoming one) than that sex you two have (yes even if its BDSM) is ok as long as it is out of love and sharing - intimacy.
If False, then God lied about a lot of stuff and its best to run - as far and fast as you can from this God Person.
Sadly, in the past 200 years the churches (denominations) have set about condemning homosexuality which really wasn't called homosexuality until the mid 1800's.
The Greeks had several words for specific types of homosexuality. That passage in the King James version about effeminate and abusers of themselves with mankind are from two made up words - words that the Author combined from existing Greek - which leads us to have to wonder why if he was condemning same gender sex why didn't he just use the Greek words that already existed?
Well one - effeminate (from a Greek word meaning 'soft') Which is a form of femininity, but not like 'swish and lisp' kind, but the kind that the rich had. Back in those days the rich would be soft, soft hands, soft of body to show they labored not. This was condemnation of the Rich. Considering Jesus' take on the rich that makes sense.
As for the other word.... well its way to long to try to explain, so a link: http://www.clgs.org/arsenokoit%C3%A9s-an...nsequences
Understand that there are many gay Christians in the world. Many have come to accept that homosexuality in the form of love is ok, but homosexuality in the form of lust isn't ok. Which stands up to the rest of the bible which harps on the straights over 600 times about the difference between love and lust. Its not that the straights need more guidance... Well maybe they do.
There are a lot of sites out there that will give you a different interpretation than the so called 'traditional' one of 'hate the gay'. https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=Gay...+the+bible gives many, many sites, some argue both sides, some argue one side.
It boils down to faith here. Do you honestly believe God would create you, your BF, me, and millions of others who are desirous of love with a person of the same gender then turn around and condemn that love?
I for one do not, I flat refuse that God is a cruel trickster - that would be Loki, or Coyote, or one of the manifestations of "The Devil".
There are gay Affirming Churches out there. http://www.gaychurch.org/find_a_church/ is a finder. Go find a church that you two can go to that meets your particular brand of faith (yes there are individual catholic churches that actually have a positive, affirming take on homosexuality) and talk to the pastor/priest, head high guru - whatever and see what comes of it.
If your BF cannot accept himself and his ability to love another man, to cleave to another man, then that is something that he has to take to the Lord in Prayer.
Print up what I wrote (if you want) and hand it to him.
Lastly, which is words to him, Test the spirits - This means weigh in your heart your true feelings for this man. Do you honestly believe God condemns your love for this man?
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