Trump or Hillary as President, who else is petrified?

[JohnMusic]

or someone put a gun to his head is the only logical answer.

A vote for the 1 percent is saying fuck you to veterans and disabled people.

[East]

or someone put a gun to his head is the only logical answer.

A vote for the 1 percent is saying fuck you to veterans and disabled people.

That is not logical at all....and I am a veteran myself and you do understand that disabled people's rights and their access to health care were fought for a won by Democrats..including Hillary Clinton....

The 1%....you get rid of them at this point and this entire economy will collapse overnight.....

Like it or not..this is the infrastructure that generations of Americans allowed to happen. Power corrupts...ALWAYS...

The only way to deal with it is from within at this point unless you actually want a hollowed out country...and world economy....

That is what ISIS wants....it is their stated goal...they want chaos and global destruction.

I understand the problem with them having power they do..it is sick...but the ship has sailed long ago...and so I would rather have the regulations that need to be enacted..and reform...before anarchy....

[JohnMusic]

That is not logical at all....and I am a veteran myself and you do understand that disabled people's rights and their access to health care were fought for a won by Democrats..including Hillary Clinton....

The 1%....you get rid of them at this point and this entire economy will collapse overnight.....

Like it or not..this is the infrastructure that generations of Americans allowed to happen. Power corrupts...ALWAYS...

The only way to deal with it is from within at this point unless you actually want a hollowed out country...and world economy....

That is what ISIS wants....it is their stated goal...they want chaos and global destruction.

I understand the problem with them having power they do..it is sick...but the ship has sailed long ago...and so I would rather have the regulations that need to be enacted..and reform...before anarchy....

lets all give up now.

[East]

lets all give up now.

What exactly do you think will happen when our economy collapses overnight?

Just curious...

BTW..not trying to change your mind actually. I think you should believe whatever you like. I am just curious now what you think will happen.

[JohnMusic]

What exactly do you think will happen when our economy collapses overnight?

Just curious...

BTW..not trying to change your mind actually. I think you should believe whatever you like. I am just curious now what you think will happen.

Go ahead be afraid of trump so much that it scares you into voting hillary. You do know that is what is going on right? That was the plan all along. If hillary can rig the primaries against bernie do you think she will not be able to do the same to the evil dictator trump. She more than likely has allready won. And if your a veteran you should be aware of the suicide rate of veterans and the homelessness of a lot of them. Which kind of shows they are not being cared for. If you are a veteran and being treated fairy good for you. Not all are. YOu can look up antidotes and send links to me about it just like you can find cops being nice to minorities. Exceptions to the rule mean nothing.

After the war with islam what war will be next? That question i am curious if anybody here thinks they might know the answer to that.

[InbetweenDreams]

What exactly do you think will happen when our economy collapses overnight?

Just curious...

BTW..not trying to change your mind actually. I think you should believe whatever you like. I am just curious now what you think will happen.

If you want my opinion, ask the Germans what happened...

While the US has tons of debt we are a huge influence of the world market, because we buy everyone's stuff. I mean if we didn't buy a new iPhone every time Apple makes a new one I don't think China would have half the economy.

At any rate, voting for Trump is crazy. I don't even like Trump, even before he ran for president. Look what he did to folks in Scotland. Legal or not, this is the asshat running for office.

I do agree, a 3rd party has to rise from the ground up, not the other way around. Even then, until someone can get a respectable part of the vote there's no sense to vote for them. Every election they talk about a revolution, but only escape with 3% of the vote, if that. So what is the point, if don't vote for Clinton you are in a way voting for Trump. I used to not really have that perspective but at this point everyone already knows Stein and Johnson don't have a chance in hell. The other problem with Johnson is that he's an idiot, or makes himself look stupid.

[Beaux]

[MENTION=20933]LJay[/MENTION]
~Beaux

[Beaux]

[MENTION=18508]East[/MENTION]

[CorsacReborn]

If you want my opinion, ask the Germans what happened...

While the US has tons of debt we are a huge influence of the world market, because we buy everyone's stuff. I mean if we didn't buy a new iPhone every time Apple makes a new one I don't think China would have half the economy.

At any rate, voting for Trump is crazy. I don't even like Trump, even before he ran for president. Look what he did to folks in Scotland. Legal or not, this is the asshat running for office.

I do agree, a 3rd party has to rise from the ground up, not the other way around. Even then, until someone can get a respectable part of the vote there's no sense to vote for them. Every election they talk about a revolution, but only escape with 3% of the vote, if that. So what is the point, if don't vote for Clinton you are in a way voting for Trump. I used to not really have that perspective but at this point everyone already knows Stein and Johnson don't have a chance in hell. The other problem with Johnson is that he's an idiot, or makes himself look stupid.

While I respect that the United States has Influence within the world markets your comment about apple contributing in the way it does in china is very inaccurate. China has been growing in the manufacturing of many goods for countries and companies across the world for many years. One multi billion dollar company does not hold up a nation, especially one with a population like China.

I do feel that anyone who votes will need to vote for someone who not only represents the people there but represents the country on a worldwide causing as little upset as possible. Any election for one of the major players across the world will affect more then that one country.

[InbetweenDreams]

[MENTION=23512]CorsacReborn[/MENTION] No that wasn't what I was getting at. We're a big consumer nation, we're also a debtor nation. I don't know about the UK but we have Wal-Mart stores, they carry everything, most even have a grocery store. Most all of the products, that aren't food, are from China. My point was that we buy so much excess crap, have to have new phones while paying interest on a consumable. I don't know how common but there are people who finance a car that cost $1,500 and are paying 30% interest on it...no lie. We have people who buy iPad, iMac, new computers and everything else under the sun who can't afford the crap, finance it, can't pay it off. Hell I myself damn near got sucked into the habit. We, as in Western nations, are pretty much building China's economy. We lost manufacturing because we demand higher wages, expect benefits, then our politicians make it free for other countries to import their products into our country so cheaply that it is less expensive to move their plants overseas ship it and still be cheaper than paying some guy $7.25 an hour. We also have EPA regulations and laws that also make the cost of manufacturing more expensive. So because we have people like Trump who are greedy we have companies that don't care about pollution or global warming and want to make every last penny they can, instead of polluting the air, land and water here in the US the companies go overseas and do it there where it is legal and the people are happy to make what we make in an hour in a day.

The problem we have with the election process here is that the media turn it into entertainment, like it is a damn show. Who won the debate? Who cares! I watched it last night and the moderator got to ask maybe 4 questions while their "answers" were nothing but non-answers and hot air. You can't get our politicians to be up front or accountable. They've been bought up by all the corporations, which are moving their jobs somewhere else.