Texas requires funerals for fetuses now

[meridannight]

So it wasn't fully developed, so it didn't express personality. Perhaps we should throw all mentally handicapped in the river since some of them don't express personality and are a drain on public services.

The other thing is if we could give a fuck less about an unborn fetus, child....lump of goo then why do we care about pets. It's a fucking dog or cat, all they do is eat sleep and shit all over the place.

With all due respect, you are comparing the incomparable, axle. Can you seriously not differentiate between that and a living and a breathing human being with health/physiological problems, between it and an animal like a dog, cat, or other?

And it's not such a short stretch from here to claiming that we're all killers because we're masturbating. You guys are mentally regressing back toward the Dark Middle Ages of ignorance.

As if it would even change anything? As if the technological/scientific progress of mankind could be undone with your backwards laws and regulations. It's there for everyone to use and benefit from. People will just go to find different ways to achieve the same end. It's not going to end up changing anything. People who wanted to abort did so before there were any laws or public ethics debates on the matter. Human beings will do what they have to do, and anybody who thinks that they can stop it with their abstract principles is a fool.

Most importantly -- you can believe whatever you want and live your life accordingly -- but you do not have the right to force other people to follow your beliefs. You do not go and get an abortion, if that's what you think is right. I have my opinion, but outside that it doesn't concern me. It's up to the people who are actually pregnant to decide what to do. And no-one else. That liberty and freedom of choice must be protected at all costs whatever it takes. That is all that I stand for on this topic.

For anyone (and not aiming this at any one particular person) to have the mentality of "just scrape it out and toss it in the trash"

Also an exaggeration. Nobody 'tosses' those things as if they were banana peels, everyone is capable of making that distinction. But once it's done it's gotta go somewhere one way or the other. Whether you dispose of it by simply assigning it to the proper waste bin, or with incense singing it praise and performing the religious rituals or giving it military honors, it adds up to the exact same result.


I'm guessing this whole thing was concocted up as just a way to discourage abortion. They can't eradicate the practice, so they make it more complicated, expensive and consuming to discourage it.

[JohnMusic]

abortion; the men seem to always have an opinion

This law effects men as well.

[InbetweenDreams]

It's up to the people who are actually pregnant to decide what to do. And no-one else. That liberty and freedom of choice must be protected at all costs whatever it takes. That is all that I stand for on this topic.

That is perfectly fine and I agree. I do not support that kind of law and of course it was made law to discourage abortion and to be a cash cow for all who are involved in funerals.

I just don't like the comparisons being made. It's kind of cold and calculating as if there's no regard for life when we're referencing human fetuses as being lumps of meat, or "not human." That is what I find the most disturbing in this conversation.

I agree on the absurdity of the law but this? Exaggeration or not, tongue and cheek or not...kind of sick...

The only way to go about it is to throw a grand celebration at the funeral, something like a ball, to celebrate being rid of the thing. That might be fun.

They're not a human. They're a fraction of an organ here, a few lumps of skin cell there. It's an inanimate lump of goo.

To call that a human is to degrade us all to mere meat. Then to force women to bury it as though they were burying an actual living breathing feeling child..... uggh it's sick.

If we want to talk about the issues of abortion (again) that's fine, but if this stuff I quoted you two on is how you feel about human life I think you guys are sick and no point in discussing it. I'm pro choice but that kind of talk is gross.

[JohnMusic]

Please do not call others sick if you do not agree with them.

[JohnMusic]

not, use a condom

I guess girls make babies without the help of men.

[kindy64]

Get some perspective people, maybe actually read the whole article and not just the headline... the rule change does not require only funerals.

According to the rules, aborted fetal tissue must be handled like a deceased person and treated “using the process of cremation, entombment, burial, or placement in a niche or by using the process of cremation followed by placement of the ashes in a niche, grave, or scattering of ashes as authorized by law.”

why did this seem important enough to pass...

“I believe it is imperative to establish higher standards that reflect our respect for the sanctity of life,” he said in the email, which The Tribune published in full. “This is why Texas will require clinics and hospitals to bury or cremate human and fetal remains.”

“I don’t believe human and fetal remains should be treated like medical waste and disposed of in landfills,” Mr. Abbott added.

[meridannight]

If we want to talk about the issues of abortion (again) that's fine, but if this stuff I quoted you two on is how you feel about human life I think you guys are sick and no point in discussing it. I'm pro choice but that kind of talk is gross.

This thing:

The only way to go about it is to throw a grand celebration at the funeral, something like a ball, to celebrate being rid of the thing. That might be fun.

that was a fucking joke man. Meant to rub the absurdity of this governmental idiocy in for those who actually support such a measure. As in: your law is so absurd, there is no other way to react to it but with like absurdity. What you're asking people to go through with it -- emotionally and psychologically -- that is perverse. The joke was also meant to play on the notion that since celebration would be the last thing these lawmakers expect from their acts, this would be a kind of backfiring of this whole situation on them, to have unwittingly caused the reverse (although a different reverse) of what they wanted to achieve.

You can't understand the emotional tone of the conversation from the written text, axle. Try to remember that. Especially when dealing with me, because I tend to come off a lot more rude and coarse in writing than I actually am in real life. And I have a sense of humor not everyone can appreciate.


I'm sorry you thought I was serious with that. I don't have any feelings for fetuses, positive or negative. I don't see them as human, but that's where it ends. It's a neutral nonexistent thing for me.

[meridannight]

Get some perspective people, maybe actually read the whole article and not just the headline... the rule change does not require only funerals.

Yeah, this is a huge problem with the modern journalism (or journalism, period) -- drama and sensationalism are more important than presenting the facts without distortion.

But that's that. This law is still completely nonsensical.

[indyCub]

but with about the sperms, little alive guys men usually get rid of in millions. should not these little living guys require a proper funeral? or only women are judged?

[JohnMusic]