Hate when you lose an election and people stop giving to your "charity"

[InbetweenDreams]

It's the same from the left, bashing Trump every chance they get and while I agree it is hard to not to. But the whole move to division is kind of a new thing. I feel it is mostly in the name to spark outrage and get these new talk shows more views and ratings. Follow the money, then maybe there is some kind of agenda but as long as they put on the show we're too busy bitching at each other...

[Emiliano]

Ok when you guys are ready to practice what you preach, I'll be patiently waiting to have someone reach out to me to try to bridge the divide and understand my perspective and what motivated me to say what I said then.

I'm not against conversations with people of differing opinions and perspectives. But I'm absolutely done being expected to initiate them myself. The burden of being the better person is no longer a weight I can afford to carry.

[Confuzzled4]

I understand the sentiment of who cares because there's a lot of terrible cabinet appointments going on right now, and the repeal of the Affordable Care Act in the works that will kick 20 million people off their plans without a substitute plan in place. I find this story interesting and important, but absolutely agree it isn't the top priority.

[artyboy]

My farts smell of roses btw

[InbetweenDreams]

Ok when you guys are ready to practice what you preach, I'll be patiently waiting to have someone reach out to me to try to bridge the divide and understand my perspective and what motivated me to say what I said then.

I'm not against conversations with people of differing opinions and perspectives. But I'm absolutely done being expected to initiate them myself. The burden of being the better person is no longer a weight I can afford to carry.

Personally, I agree and didn't have a problem with what you posted. I do see, looking at the title of the thread how it is kind of tongue and cheek to put it like that. As for the article itself, makes perfect sense for donors to be pulling out and whether or not someone thinks Hillary is a criminal or a crook people are going to distance themselves from someone who has the kind of attention she's had over the emails and so on. Personally I think making a thread about the article coming from a new site which is clearly pro Trump, pro conservatism on a forum which is comprised mostly of gay guys who mostly identify as liberal in some respect as some means to ruffle feathers and not to educate create a discussion about the subject matter...look at the title. Rub it in all you liberal's faces... Hillary lost! That's kind of how I see it. Not sure if changing the title would have done much good however.

Not saying people can't post things that go against the grain, just have to tread lightly when you do. It's not just because someone might get their feelings hurt, but you just end up fighting over a bunch on nonsense and not have a good discussion on it. Happens quite a lot on these political discussions.

The other thing is that one person's opinion is golden. Everyone else has it wrong anyway right? That's just how most people are, they think their opinion is best...period...because, reasons.

[Cobalt]

I just wanted Kasich to win.
I find him sexy okay? Fucking sue me. He's a hot Daddy, yeah I said it!

[LJay]

Considering the result, you sound quite reasonable [MENTION=22914]Cobalt[/MENTION].

[Emiliano]

I'm trying to think how to write this because I don't want to misrepresent my point of view on this, I want to be as articulate as I can.

What bothered me about this post, about this sort of sentiment in general - that Clinton would be unfit to lead because of corruption and other shady things, is that the people who have been so vigilant about her red flags don't seem to be bothered by the same sort of things coming from Trump.

Had this country viewed his past, his ties, his scandals, his behavior, and his words with the same level of scrutiny as we did with Clinton - added with his absolute lack of experience and apparent knowledge on how to lead a country, I don't think he would have won. Now I could share my ideas on what it is about him that that resonated so strongly, that made permissible all of his flaws in the eyes of the people that voted for him, but I've already learned what sort of thread is more taboo on here than a political one.

So I'll just say that corruption is one reason Clinton lost, yes, (and I agree it's legitimate and valid and important to call out the flaws of politicians), but her loss did not save this country from the same sort of behavior - and then some. It's not about corruption. It's about Clinton. Let's be honest. I remember from Confuzzled's Clinton or Trump thread that a lot of us all agreed that in many ways we as a country were having to make a choice between two piles of shit. But over the course of the campaign, and even more so after the election, I see more and more that we were asked to choose between a pile of shit, and a bucket of shit, blood, piss, toenail clippings and pus.

But hey, he's the president now, so it doesn't matter anymore that America, more or less, picked the far more unsavory option. But that also added to my frustration about the gleeful sort of tone of that article and the post about it on here. She lost, her career is over, why is still so important to have her under a microscope? She's not the president. If the civic duty to call out our leaders' flaws and corruptions and inability to do their jobs as servants to the people actually is the motivation behind this, then starting back in November, we the people, should have shifted our focus to the winner of the election - the one who actually would become president, not the loser who won't.

But when this comes from a liberal, the critiquing of leadership, the anger, the protests... it's just a bunch of precious, easily triggered, snowflakes with our panties in a twist because we are sore losers and are incapable of living in a world outside of our elite, big city coastal bubbles. Just like how liberals get offended, but conservatives get outraged - you ever noticed how those words are so subtly but effectively used?

I'm not an offended liberal, I'm an outraged one. And it's not a partisan thing. This is not about crying over the fact a republican won the presidency instead of a democrat - this is raging over the fact that Donald Trump won.

I also resent the calls for unity, that now is the time for us to come together as a country and bridge the divide and reach our hearts and hands across the aisle. Now is the time for that. It wasn't the time 8 years ago though was it, when conservatives did everything they could to make Obama as impotent as possible. It wasn't the time to accept who the president was back when our current president was demanding the birth certificate of our previous one. When the presidents nomination for the Supreme Court was held off and blocked in hopes a republican would take office. When they shut down the fucking government. These demands for unity and empathy and understanding are as one sided as the obsession with calling out corruption is. Let's not forget that Trumps campaign was not one of unity and uplifting the country as a whole - his campaign was one of slogans, impossible promises, and blatant racism, sexism, and xenophobia.

And now that he's giving power and platform to some very questionable people, and has got half the country foaming at the mouth with fear and paranoia, with various groups of brown people to scapegoat for their troubles, now is the time that those of us with potentially the most at risk, who also historically and systemically have been most at risk, are being told it's our burden to try to understand and empathize with the people whose very vote for Trump showed us that they have little concern for us. Whether one voted for him or not - if you are not enraged and terrified by what he says and who he is giving a platform to, then there is not common ground between us. Because when you strip all that bullshit away from Trump.... what is even left? That he wants to make things "great"? That's not a plan.

To quote Robert Jones Jr., "We can disagree and still love each other unless your disagreement is rooted in my oppression and denial of my humanity and right to exist."

Politics is not just a conversation topic I can casually enter and then ignore when I start to feel heated or uncomfortable. The kinds of things Trump ran his campaign on and has said, the kinds of people he decided to attack vs the ones he decided to respect or ignore.... these are things that directly relate to me, my family, my friends, and community.


And in four years, or 15 years, or 50 years from now, and everything is great, and I'm great and every American on this site is great, every American in the world is finally great again, I will gladly be ridiculed for how absurd and paranoid and over dramatic everything I've wrote and said, here and elsewhere, was. I will happily allow myself to be pointed at and laughed at. And I hope that's how it goes. I look forward to the relief of that day.

But if even half of my concerns are validated over the next few years, I can promise you all, there will be no gloating or "I told you so's" from me.

I find it more effective to speak out against leaders before they gain all their power, not after they've lost it all.

[LJay]

In support, [MENTION=21558]Emiliano[/MENTION]:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/polit.../96836370/

[SilverBullet]

You know, one thing they missed in your article was where he was talking about how our education system was basically overflowing with cash but failing to teach our students.
Dont know which education system but, the ones I have seen barely pay teachers. Too underfunded for extra curricular activities etc.