Which song do you mean, Fred? The word “fight” does not figure in John Lennon’s song. He does use the word “kill” however. John Lennon was certainly a fighter. I am sure that what he was saying was that too many people have been killed in the name of religion. I think that is a indisputable fact. He talks of “a brotherhood of man” and obviously that is worth fighting for but it is absurd to kill to achieve this end.
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peterinmalaga Wrote:Which song do you mean, Fred? The word “fight†does not figure in John Lennon’s song. He does use the word “kill†however.
Forgive me, I should have been clearer. By fighting I meant upto and including, if necessary, killing and dieing.
peterinmalaga Wrote:John Lennon was certainly a fighter.
Come again? I thought he was a musician and a peace campaigner.
peterinmalaga Wrote:He talks of “a brotherhood of man†and obviously that is worth fighting for but it is absurd to kill to achieve this end.
I agree killing would be an absurd means to that ends. However I think it is a slightly meaningless concept, a brotherhood is defined by who is within it and who is outside of it. If everyone is your brother (or sister) then, frankly, no one is.
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JL talked of a brotherhood of man. JC said “Love thy neighbour”. JC was more PC of course but the 2 concepts are very similar. You don’t get the success JL had in the UK, the USA etc. without being a fighter, Fred. Musicians and peace campaigners are 2 a penny, successful musicians don’t come so cheap. Ask Paul McCartney if John Lennon was a fighter! There is no contradiction in being a peace campaigner and being a fighter.
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peterinmalaga Wrote:JL talked of a brotherhood of man. JC said “Love thy neighbourâ€Â. JC was more PC of course but the 2 concepts are very similar.
Is a man in a country far away of whom I know nothing my neighbour? If he is then what one earth does neighbour mean?
peterinmalaga Wrote:You don’t get the success JL had in the UK, the USA etc. without being a fighter, Fred. Musicians and peace campaigners are 2 a penny, successful musicians don’t come so cheap. Ask Paul McCartney if John Lennon was a fighter! There is no contradiction in being a peace campaigner and being a fighter.
I do indeed get the success he had as a peace campaigner (even if I suspect he was to an extent riding the crest of a wave). I beg to differ, there
is a contradiction between being peace campaigner and being a fighter, you can't be both at the
same time, for exactly the same reason logical you can't have peace and war simletaneously. One can argue for a peaceful solution right up to the moment there is no option but to take up arms (be they literal or metaphorical) or give-in, and then take up arms. There is no inherent contradiction in a peace campaigner becoming a fighter or vica versa.
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fjp999 Wrote:Sorry to hear that you have that point of view. Pure internal peace and harmony remains no matter the state. It just is. So it being a world worth fighting for becomes unimportant, non-existent.
Pure internal harmony is all very well but it doesn't unseat tyrants, it doesn't give homes to the homeless, or food to the starving.
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No, but it does stop them bellyaching about their problems and making all the "haves" feel so guilty ... dammit :frown:
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