Occupy Wall St---I warned you, didn't I?

[WesHollywood]

Oddly enough, The U.S. makes no secret of how other nations should conduct themselves.

If you would rather foreigners not comment on the U.S. then I suggest you find a forum with fewer foreigners.


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Make this crystal clear. When it comes to foreign policy, any one is allowed to speak on issues that effects the planet. War is a good example. On domestic issues of any nation, it is not the business of foreigners, there is a wall of polite consideration. Illegal immigration would be a good example.

You might want to check the dictionary for the definitions of 'diplomacy' and 'intrusion.'

[WesHollywood]

Oddly enough, The U.S. makes no secret of how other nations should conduct themselves.

If you would rather foreigners not comment on the U.S. then I suggest you find a forum with fewer foreigners.


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Please supply an example supported by a link of your contention.

How would you feel if I launched into an attack on how the English language is dying in London because their government could not control immigration?

To do so would be, in my opinion, not only rude and uncalled for, and none of my damn business. Who am I as an American to challenge London, England or the United Kingdom on whom they select for residency in their nation? First off, it is a matter of good taste. Secondly it is unnecessarily offensive. Thirdly, it would be ignorant, how could an outsider possibly judge the way you choose to run your country? I would be the dinner guest who criticized your mother's home made Yorkshire pudding.

[Bowyn Aerrow]

Having already spoken of welfare, in Australia the general consensus is a majority claiming welfare are abusing the system, and the welfare system is broken, especially when a pensioner who slogged their guts out for their country and gave 40-50 years of their life gets $18 000 a year in pension....yet come over illegally in a boat and the government will give you $45 000 a year.

And we as tax payers and voters should accept this?

Does that apply to white illegals? Let's say I decided to run off to OZ, being American and white would I be able to get on that dole? Or is it only 'reverse racism' meaning that if you are anything but white you get extra kudos?

[WesHollywood]

Here is the latest, (today's) utube on Occupy Wall Street. The news is little news.

When we turn on the television network news and we see :60 of film of Occupy Wall Street, 99ers, we forget that there were 23 hours, and 59 minutes of things we did not see. Today, you get the taste of that. This is an inspirational video of just day-to-day activity on #OWS in my opinion.

These are the faces I am dying to see when they get their pink slips.

[dfiant]

Does that apply to white illegals? Let's say I decided to run off to OZ, being American and white would I be able to get on that dole? Or is it only 'reverse racism' meaning that if you are anything but white you get extra kudos?

Generally most of our illegals are from Afganistan, Iran, Iraq, Pakistan etc etc who travel via Malaysia and Indonesia...So if you can travel to Indonesia and pay $10 000 and travel over to Australia on a rickety leaking boat, you would be treated as a refuge.

[fredv3b]

Please supply an example supported by a link of your contention.

How would you feel if I launched into an attack on how the English language is dying in London because their government could not control immigration?

To do so would be, in my opinion, not only rude and uncalled for, and none of my damn business. Who am I as an American to challenge London, England or the United Kingdom on whom they select for residency in their nation? First off, it is a matter of good taste. Secondly it is unnecessarily offensive. Thirdly, it would be ignorant, how could an outsider possibly judge the way you choose to run your country? I would be the dinner guest who criticized your mother's home made Yorkshire pudding.

Recent examples include the U.S. Treasury Secretary saying Europe should get its house in order, U.S. support for the 'Arab spring', U.S. support for one side of the civil war in Libya, U.S. support for democracy worldwide. (You can google them if you want.)

If one has a good point well made then it isn't unnecessarily offensive or in poor taste.

Why shouldn't a well informed outsider make a judgement? If the outsider is not well informed, then the judgement will be easily shown to be wrong.

If I were a guest in America then it would be wrong to criticise it, even though I would be better informed. You are, as far as I am aware, not a guest in my country, so if you think you have a good point to make about my country feel free to make it.


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[WesHollywood]

Generally most of our illegals are from Afganistan, Iran, Iraq, Pakistan etc etc who travel via Malaysia and Indonesia...So if you can travel to Indonesia and pay $10 000 and travel over to Australia on a rickety leaking boat, you would be treated as a refuge.

You might find this link interesting it is how nations on this planet deal with illegal immigration verses the United States. http://www.livinglakecountry.com/blogs/c...72359.html

[COLOR="DarkRed"]"IF YOU CROSS THE NORTH KOREAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU GET 12 YEARS HARD LABOR.
IF YOU CROSS THE IRANIAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU ARE DETAINED INDEFINITELY.
IF YOU CROSS THE AFGHAN BORDER ILLEGALLY, YOU GET SHOT.
IF YOU CROSS THE SAUDI ARABIAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU WILL BE JAILED.
IF YOU CROSS THE CHINESE BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU MAY NEVER BE HEARD FROM AGAIN.
IF YOU CROSS THE VENEZUELAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU WILL BE BRANDED A SPY AND YOUR FATE WILL BE SEALED.
IF YOU CROSS THE CUBAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU WILL BE THROWN INTO POLITICAL PRISON TO ROT."[/COLOR]

Looks to me like the American people are patsys on illegal immigration. We have been too lax, and too generous. Now the cost of education, health care, and welfare for illegal aliens and their anchor babies has hit $113 Billion a year, almost the cost of a year of the War in Afghanistan!! http://www.fairus.org/site/News2?page=Ne..._ctrl=1741 At these prices I would hardly call illegals cheap labor.

Now with U. S. unemployment approaching 10% we will probably see a return to the brutal American practice of deportation used by Presidents Eisenhower, Truman and Hoover. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Wetback Clearly it is a nasty business.

As a liberal I have a great deal of difficulty with this topic. This week it took center stage with the Republican Presidential candidates. For the moment I see this as a law enforcement problem. We should enforce the laws we have, if not we should change them through legal process. From what I have read, I doubt America will ever give amnesty because it will just bring in more illegals, which means more taxpayer burden. Meanwhile big business employers like low wage workers who live in fear, and do what they are told. Big business uses the same argument to defend illegal workers that Southerners used to defend slavery. Did not work then, does not work now. If apples go to $10 a dozen, so be it.

Here is a story from last nights CBS television network news about the tough new illegal immigration law in Alabama. Through all the tears this woman is crying/begging that her family not be broken up with deportation. Yet she knew that was exactly what could happen if she entered the United States illegally. A little off-topic but related information. http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7...ncol;lst;1 In my opinion there is no right answer, but again, the United States has 12,000,000 illegal aliens and anchor babies at an annual taxpayer cost of $113 Billion a year. We need to address this with an effective solution. However, I think illegal immigration is a hot issue that detracts voters from the real issue in the 2012 election, JOBS. So, they will bounce it around and do nothing.

Surprisingly, the Obama policy on illegal immigration is about the same as the Bush policy. The only significant difference is that President Obama instructed that convicted felons be the first to be deported. Somehow the issue of amnesty seems to pop up before elections, but is quickly forgotten after the election.

[WesHollywood]

Recent examples include the U.S. Treasury Secretary saying Europe should get its house in order, U.S. support for the 'Arab spring', U.S. support for one side of the civil war in Libya, U.S. support for democracy worldwide. (You can google them if you want.)

If one has a good point well made then it isn't unnecessarily offensive or in poor taste.

Why shouldn't a well informed outsider make a judgement? If the outsider is not well informed, then the judgement will be easily shown to be wrong.

If I were a guest in America then it would be wrong to criticise it, even though I would be better informed. You are, as far as I am aware, not a guest in my country, so if you think you have a good point to make about my country feel free to make it.


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Your example of "Arab Spring" and is a matter of international politics. It has nothing to do with interfering in another nations domestic politics. The subject is fair game for all.

Since you are interested in the subject of Libya, I would suggest you Google it for facts. The UK and France led that effort while the U. S. supported their play. So, you are not a "a well informed outsider make a judgement." It is about time we got some of Europe's money out on the table. How many wars in the last century did the United States pull your cookies out of the fire, and then pick up the tab? You exist today because we saved you ass. Show some respect, a simple "Thank you" would be enough.

If you make an argument, it is up to you to support it with credible source links, not refer me to Google. If you are going to post, do your homework first.

Frankly, I am disgusted that my country asks me to fund an empire. Every country that has tried empire failed. If Europeans are jealous of American global power let them pick up the tab and run it any way they want. American taxpayers would love it. There is plenty of war to go around on this planet. Wonder if 50,000 American service personnel in Germany helps their economy? As a taxpayer I would like to know what 50,000 are doing there anyway. WWII ended in 1945.

No matter what, American domestic issues are none of your damn business. How's that for polite? Got it?

[fredv3b]

Your example of "Arab Spring" and is a matter of international politics. It has nothing to do with interfering in another nations domestic politics. The subject is fair game for all.

That is an absurd statement. Whilst, of course, it is a matter of international politics for the rest of the world for the Arab countries where it occurred it is a matter of domestic politics.

Since you are interested in the subject of Libya, I would suggest you Google it for facts. The UK and France led that effort while the U. S. supported their play. So, you are not a "a well informed outsider make a judgement." It is about time we got some of Europe's money out on the table. How many wars in the last century did the United States pull your cookies out of the fire, and then pick up the tab? You exist today because we saved you ass. Show some respect, a simple "Thank you" would be enough.

First I was perfectly aware that Britain and France played the leading role not the U.S., I am believe it or not, not actually an idiot. Whether America led or merely supported operations is completely irrelevant to my point. America was involving itself in the domestic affairs of another country.

I apologise for not randomly bringing up WW1 & WW2 with every American I happen to converse with and thanking them personally.

If you make an argument, it is up to you to support it with credible source links, not refer me to Google. If you are going to post, do your homework first.

Nobody else demands links. I have better things to do with my time. If you think I'm wrong, you do your homework, and present a decent argument rather than the arguments above.

Frankly, I am disgusted that my country asks me to fund an empire. Every country that has tried empire failed. If Europeans are jealous of American global power let them pick up the tab and run it any way they want. American taxpayers would love it. There is plenty of war to go around on this planet. Wonder if 50,000 American service personnel in Germany helps their economy? As a taxpayer I would like to know what 50,000 are doing there anyway. WWII ended in 1945.

I am sorry the relevance of the paragraph above is completely lost on me. Although I would point out that if American tax payers don't want to pay for being a global power then I suggest they vote for candidates who would slash the defence budget regardless of whether or not Europe wants to be a global power.

No matter what, American domestic issues are none of your damn business. How's that for polite? Got it?


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Occupy Wall St---I warned you, didn't I?

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This is a forum with many non-Americans. You demand that we stick to the Occupy Wall Street topic yet also demand that American domestic affairs are none of our 'damn business'.

The only way to satisfy both demands is for only Americans to comment on this thread. Perhaps you would be happier in an Americans only forum?


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[Genersis]

How would you feel if I launched into an attack on how the English language is dying in London because their government could not control immigration?

London's just fine. Thanks!:tongue: