08-25-2012, 03:01 AM
I am totally disgusted ,once again they preach what Jesus did not speak.
Have we somehow gone back in time?
What the hell , what happens to the women that are abused ?
Not to mention not being allowed to save your child from abuse.
What's next ; a reunion with the RCC ; take away our vote?
The whore of Babylon( Babylon the great) is sleeping in the devils bed.
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Have we somehow gone back in time?
What the hell , what happens to the women that are abused ?
Not to mention not being allowed to save your child from abuse.
What's next ; a reunion with the RCC ; take away our vote?
The whore of Babylon( Babylon the great) is sleeping in the devils bed.
Quote:To love and to submit, new vow for brides.
BRIDES will be promising to submit to their husbands under a new marriage vow the Anglican diocese of Sydney is expected to approve at its synod in October.
It requires the minister to ask of the bride: ''Will you honour and submit to him, as the church submits to Christ?'' and for her to pledge ''to love and submit'' to her husband.
The service is already being used in some Sydney parishes, under a diocese that opposes the full ordination of women and supports an exclusively male leadership doctrine.
The vows were written by the diocese's liturgical panel, which has the imprimatur of the Archbishop, Peter Jensen. The panel chairman, the Bishop of South Sydney, Robert Forsyth, said ''submit'' was a deeply biblical word.
''The Bible never said women must obey their husbands but Paul and Peter did say submit, which I think is a much more responsive, nuanced word.''
The bishop said no one would be forced to use the new version, and an alternative would remain available to couples who did not want the woman to obey (which has been optional since 1928) or submit.
Kevin Giles, a New Testament scholar in Melbourne, said the subordination of women was exclusively related to ''the fall'' in the Bible and in 2012 made for bad theology.
''Jesus not once mentions the subordination of woman and says much in contradiction to this. Paul's comments over the subordination of women fit into the patriarchal culture of the day and are not the biblical ideal. The truth is that happy marriages today are fully equal, and unhappy marriages are ones where one or the other party is controlling.''
Muriel Porter, a Melbourne academic and laywoman who writes on Anglican Church issues, said submit was a more derogatory word than obey and had connotations of slavery. ''Frankly I'm horrified,'' she said. ''It is a very dangerous concept, especially in terms of society's propensity for domestic violence.''
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