Deal breakers

[partisan]

People who drop bomps
People who rearrange chairs
people who never clean cookers
people who smell like fermented hops
people who make loud walking sounds
people who blink every 4 seconds
lemon meringue people
people who are never hungry

[dvdbwn]

[quote=dvdbwn]

Where is there bigotry there? There's no obstinacy, intolerance, or hatred. He's not advocating running these people out of town, he's just saying he wouldn't want to have a relationship with one of them.

It's not even as if he is mistaken, those religions do not approve of gay people. If a gay person wants nothing to do with them it's a rational choice, not bigotry.

If anything it is bigotry for those religions to disapprove of gay people. Their position ticks at least two of your boxes. Obstinacy insofar as their views aren't going to change any day soon and intolerance in that they say that to practice your homosexuality is incompatible with the salvation their beliefs claim to offer, no get outs. Hatred they of course deny, but at best the jury's out on that one.


Your understanding of bigotry seems very broad indeed, you'll be excluding a lot of people.

As an atheist, how can you go around telling Christians what they believe? Have you read the bible? Have you read it in Hebrew? Have you read it in Koine Greek?

How is discriminating against millions of people based on religion not bigotry?

As a minority we hope for tolerance... But if we as the outsiders can't muster tolerance then there's no hope for those in the majority. We're the ones who should know better.

I've been here only a short while and i hoped to find friends and understanding but I've never felt so beaten down and judged in all my life. I'm just so tired of the abusive and offensive treatment... It's in practically every thread.

[cardiganwearer]

As an atheist, how can you go around telling Christians what they believe? Have you read the bible? Have you read it in Hebrew? Have you read it in Koine Greek?

Where did I say I was an atheist? Don't make assumptions about me. What does having read or not read the bible in three languages have to do with the point I was making? Let me remind you of that point. It is not an example of bigotry for a person to make a decision about whom they have a relationship with on the basis of religion, it is simply a choice.

How is discriminating against millions of people based on religion not bigotry?

I've no idea what you mean by this, but I'll give it a go. In making a decision about having a relationship one must necessarily discriminate against millions of people for a whole host of reasons. Those people are wholly unaffected by this discrimination, they are free to carry on their lives as before.

As a minority we hope for tolerance... But if we as the outsiders can't muster tolerance then there's no hope for those in the majority. We're the ones who should know better.

What has this to do with an individual making a decision about having a relationship? The issue is not one of tolerance, nobody is suggesting any sanctions against christians as a group, one person is suggesting that religious belief would figure in their decision making about one aspect of their life. They're not organising pogroms or rounding up lions for the arena.

Let us also be clear, the issue wasn't just about christianity, other religions were mentioned too. Let's hear your defence of islam.

I've been here only a short while and i hoped to find friends and understanding but I've never felt so beaten down and judged in all my life. I'm just so tired of the abusive and offensive treatment... It's in practically every thread.

The smell of burning martyr is overwhelming.

[dvdbwn]

um... it's in your profile that you're an atheist, i checked. =)

my point is you claim that all that ALL the people in "those religions" disapprove of gays. that, is actually an assumption, unlike what you accused me of. the point about the languages is even christians don't know what the bible actually says.... biblically scholars don't even agree to what it says. so perhaps you shouldn't be so convinced it's antigay. reading it in the other languages is very enlightening.

it is an example of bigotry just like i pointed out before. just like saying i wouldn't date any black men or irish men or atheist.

if you want to stand up and say "i am a proud atheist gay man and i don't want anyone to change me." That's great, i love it, bring it on. however if you say i would never date a christian because they're stupid to follow a religion that hates them (or whichever the descriptive term)... that's bigotry. you're not judging them as an individual person but rather their culture.

and we all do this to an extent, like you said. sure everyone has a right to pick a partner. but the difference is he didn't say, "the man would have to have the same beliefs as me, because that would be a deal-breaker for me" he took the opportunity to tear down religion and those who have faith... that's what's abusive.

as far as defending islam... i know next to nothing of islam. would love to know more. i read some of the poetry once. i speak of christianity because it's what i know. i don't see why you think religious people have to defend themselves on this site.

[MisterTinkles]

Stupid people.
Stupider people.
Even more stupider people.
Total freeking retard morons.
People can cannot spell....correctly.
People who mumble.
People who lie, cheat, and steal from their friends.
People who drive dangerously and illegally.
People who have NO manners of any kind.
People who dont know what soap, toothpaste, and water are for.
People who constantly put down everything you say.
People who refuse to understand anything other than their own little dumbassed worlds.
People who dont like my cooking.
People who dont grovel at my feet.
People who dont do as I say.
People who dont throw money at me.
People who are people, and are the most wonderful people in the world.
People are people, so why should it be you and I should get along so awfully.

Oh...wait....I got off track there....

Pretty much anybody who cant be bothered to use their brains....at all....ever.
Which in my part of the world, is about 98%.

[Armandork]

People who can't make decisions on everyday stuff.
People who are still in the closet.

[cardiganwearer]

my point is you claim that all that ALL the people in "those religions" disapprove of gays. that, is actually an assumption, unlike what you accused me of. the point about the languages is even christians don't know what the bible actually says.... biblically scholars don't even agree to what it says. so perhaps you shouldn't be so convinced it's antigay. reading it in the other languages is very enlightening.

God either approves or he doesn't. Christianity claims to bring revelation and salvation, why can't they agree on a position? If the fate of my immortal soul were so important, why has the christian god not made it clearer what I should and should not do in bed. Three languages, still no agreement. That's not enlightenment, it's obfuscation.

it is an example of bigotry just like i pointed out before. just like saying i wouldn't date any black men or irish men or atheist.

No black man irish man or atheist has ever told me that I'll be going to hell for not adopting the black, irish or atheist view of what I should be doing between the sheets. If I choose to sleep with an irishman, am I showing bigotry to black people and atheists? No I am not. Likewise by choosing not to sleep with a christian I am not showing bigotry, I am making a choice. This is special pleading at it's most ostentatious.

and we all do this to an extent, like you said. sure everyone has a right to pick a partner. but the difference is he didn't say, "the man would have to have the same beliefs as me, because that would be a deal-breaker for me" he took the opportunity to tear down religion and those who have faith... that's what's abusive.

No, it's freedom of expression; special pleading again.

[bluefox4000]

If I made a list i'd have no one. So unless you're an unbelievable bigot, or a psychotic murderer, If I loved you enough I'd try my hardest to make it work.

Mick

[Pix]

I don't handle control freaks or constant clinginess (wanting to be my shadow 24/7, and that would include demanding continual digital connection such as by text whenever we were apart) well at all and it will drive me away fast. Other than that I have a pretty high tolerance for about anything...there are a lot of things that may "cost points" but I weigh them against all the good things as well and therefore aren't deal breakers.

That said, after living with a nonsmoker for years I hope I never move back in with another smoker. I can't say that it would be a deal breaker, however.

[Genersis]

Apart from things which makes healthy relationships impossible, I don't think I have any.