Spiritual Agnosticism & Animism

[Sylph]

Hello Bitches, what's poppin?


Kay, so I wanna talk about my way of life, which is by no means a Religion in the literal sense , Spiritual Agnosticism and Animism. Simply to educate allya lives


and while Animism doesn't really have a set symbolic representation other than the coexistence of Human's and Nature, this would be a good example;


Basically, so as to not go into extraneous detail, I find my self spiritual atuned to the world, not in a supernatural or "godly" way, but more or less just on a spiritual and emotional level. This includes Animals, Trees, Rocks, All things that consist of Nature, hence the Animism and all things Spiritual.

I may be a blunt mouthed bitch, but I really am quite an active in my beliefs and practice them wherever I can.

Perhaps this has to due with my Empathic nature, which would make a lot of sense, however, a good portion is mentally influenced as well, as I purposefully choose the things in life that are good and try to have good energy in constant flow, which can then be said that I have a good moral compass, however this is neither here nor there.

With Spiritual Agnosticism, I find all the beliefs of every religion that pertains to all things good and positive, to be a belief that I would practice, as to me, it only makes the most sense and is just over all a better way to live for me.

This does not mean I have to be a wise sage, who never expresses his opinions, this is a folly however.

Similar to the Rasta religion, in that they replace all negative sounding words and phrases with "I" or "uplifting" words instead, to instill positivity into their lives.

And with Animism, I find for me goes hand in hand with Spiritual Agnosticism, as my beliefs with in that, can apply to the beliefs in this, as the mutuality of the shared beliefs is almost unrecognizable as being separate. Atleast for me.

I treat Animals as I would Humans and vice versa. I commune spiritually and emotionally with both equally, as essentially we are the same.

Animism has roots in the worship of Animals from days old, as they were viewed to have abilities and methods of expressing themselves even to us Humans through our common spiritual link. Hence cultural folk lore in even today's societies.

However, it's also Plants as well, as even they have spiritual pressures and, perhaps while not as emotive as Animals and Humans, have them and are able to get sick, grow, and die, just like the rest of us.

Spiritual Agnosticism ties in greatly, in that it is all about the respect of all things through our spirituality and to treat things with kindness based on what we believe is fair to them and to elate our entity of worship and love.


People scoff at such notions, as they are so focused on the "physical" and physical religions, such as Christianity and Catholicism , which is wonderful, but the stigmatization and erosion of such appreciative endeavours by person's such as myself, is abhor-able...

People assume to have such beliefs, one must be a wise sage in seclusion of others and of the utmost highest of Divinity itself, but as with most belief systems, it exists in the heart and not within a place or stereotype.

I just thought I'd share a different view of the world for those who haven't heard of this before or just don't understand.

And clearly, I'm not some nut job on that white powder

[Pix]

I see the connection, how we're all part of a whole. I don't see it in a "the lion shall lay with the lamb" way but there is always respect for them, the rest of the world is a part of you and vice versa. If possible I'd like my body buried when it can feed the worms and trees, give back to Mother Earth who has provided for me (the funeral worker's union won't allow it, however).

Maybe I'll go into more detail later but right now I don't feel like making distinctions.

[Pix]

This is perhaps closest to me, btw:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignosticism

It's not so much that I'm skeptical of what many call "God/dess" but rather I'm skeptical of our ability to comprehend it in any meaningful manner and therefore am skeptical of religion. Generally speaking, the religious I find easiest to relate to are those who see their religion as more symbol and metaphor (sometimes referred to as "mysteries") rather than literal and dogmatic doctrine.

[Sylph]

I see the connection, how we're all part of a whole. I don't see it in a "the lion shall lay with the lamb" way but there is always respect for them, the rest of the world is a part of you and vice versa. If possible I'd like my body buried when it can feed the worms and trees, give back to Mother Earth who has provided for me (the funeral worker's union won't allow it, however).

Maybe I'll go into more detail later but right now I don't feel like making distinctions.

Actually I have that same belief or wish. For my Body, and in connection, my Spirit to go back into the Earth to proliferate life and for my Spirit to help guard over the lives of all people and animals and plants.

It's not literally Lion's laying down with Lambs per se, but more or less their equality in the Spiritual light.

While the Lion may eat the Lamb, He does so out of necessity, not greed and while without the lamb, then the lion shall fall and while it seems to be one sided, in that the lion has all to gain, he has the most to lose as well, which is why the Lamb and the Lion are equals.

Motion in life is relatively Cyclic, however, Spiritually speaking, this is the chain that binds us and not deviates us into a path of hierarchy .

[MisterTinkles]

Hello Bitches, what's poppin?


Kay, so I wanna talk about my way of life, which is by no means a Religion in the literal sense , Spiritual Agnosticism and Animism. Simply to educate allya lives


and while Animism doesn't really have a set symbolic representation other than the coexistence of Human's and Nature, this would be a good example;


Basically, so as to not go into extraneous detail, I find my self spiritual atuned to the world, not in a supernatural or "godly" way, but more or less just on a spiritual and emotional level. This includes Animals, Trees, Rocks, All things that consist of Nature, hence the Animism and all things Spiritual.

I may be a blunt mouthed bitch, but I really am quite an active in my beliefs and practice them wherever I can.

Perhaps this has to due with my Empathic nature, which would make a lot of sense, however, a good portion is mentally influenced as well, as I purposefully choose the things in life that are good and try to have good energy in constant flow, which can then be said that I have a good moral compass, however this is neither here nor there.

With Spiritual Agnosticism, I find all the beliefs of every religion that pertains to all things good and positive, to be a belief that I would practice, as to me, it only makes the most sense and is just over all a better way to live for me.

This does not mean I have to be a wise sage, who never expresses his opinions, this is a folly however.

Similar to the Rasta religion, in that they replace all negative sounding words and phrases with "I" or "uplifting" words instead, to instill positivity into their lives.

And with Animism, I find for me goes hand in hand with Spiritual Agnosticism, as my beliefs with in that, can apply to the beliefs in this, as the mutuality of the shared beliefs is almost unrecognizable as being separate. Atleast for me.

I treat Animals as I would Humans and vice versa. I commune spiritually and emotionally with both equally, as essentially we are the same.

Animism has roots in the worship of Animals from days old, as they were viewed to have abilities and methods of expressing themselves even to us Humans through our common spiritual link. Hence cultural folk lore in even today's societies.

However, it's also Plants as well, as even they have spiritual pressures and, perhaps while not as emotive as Animals and Humans, have them and are able to get sick, grow, and die, just like the rest of us.

Spiritual Agnosticism ties in greatly, in that it is all about the respect of all things through our spirituality and to treat things with kindness based on what we believe is fair to them and to elate our entity of worship and love.


People scoff at such notions, as they are so focused on the "physical" and physical religions, such as Christianity and Catholicism , which is wonderful, but the stigmatization and erosion of such appreciative endeavours by person's such as myself, is abhor-able...

People assume to have such beliefs, one must be a wise sage in seclusion of others and of the utmost highest of Divinity itself, but as with most belief systems, it exists in the heart and not within a place or stereotype.

I just thought I'd share a different view of the world for those who haven't heard of this before or just don't understand.

And clearly, I'm not some nut job on that white powder

So "Miss Thang" thinks she's Snow White now?


Dont eat any red apples hunnie!!!!


Imma just messin wit ya!
Thats nice you try to treat all life forms with a little dignity and understanding.

[Sylph]

This is perhaps closest to me, btw:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignosticism

It's not so much that I'm skeptical of what many call "God/dess" but rather I'm skeptical of our ability to comprehend it in any meaningful manner and therefore am skeptical of religion. Generally speaking, the religious I find easiest to relate to are those who see their religion as more symbol and metaphor (sometimes referred to as "mysteries") rather than literal and dogmatic doctrine.

Which is similar to Agnosticism, as while I believe there is no God or Godess per se, I do believe in a higher power and to me personally, I believe the comprehension or conceptualization of this higher power is indeed unlikely to be so by us, but the presence and resonance can be felt, hence my Spiritual Path in Agnosticism.

And my beliefs are not Religion which I suppose applies to your "mysteries" :p, however, I can see your point in such organized religion, as they ability to absolutely know for certain of anything pertaining to anything without a definitive presence is not astute...

I merely go by the feeling.. and as many people should know, Spiritual Agnostics and Agnostics in general do not follow any God or even share the same exact beliefs, however the general belief system is the same "abide by all the is good" basically.

So I can't even try to say my belief in Nature & Spirituality and our origin from it is correct or in correct, as not even those who follow my belief system view this as so.

It's a very open belief system, so I suppose it can relate to Ignosticism, but only in the fact that neither can define a god or supreme being.

[Sylph]

So "Miss Thang" thinks she's Snow White now?


Dont eat any red apples hunnie!!!!


Imma just messin wit ya!
Thats nice you try to treat all life forms with a little dignity and understanding.

Uh excuse me hunni, "Miss Thang" has always been a Snow White gurl!

Ever since I could remember playing with the Snails and Frogs and "rehabbing" them and talking to them. Now I do it for real :p

I just found the names of what I feel and believe as I got older.

So there

And I only eat Green Apples. Red Apples are too sweet for me.:crying-and-sorry-li

[MisterTinkles]

Ever since I could remember playing with the Snails and Frogs and "rehabbing" them and talking to them. Now I do it for real :p

We wasnt talkin about the men you pick up from the allies and shelters hun...

[Pix]

Though I wouldn't become aware of it until years later my granny woke up from a vivid nightmare of me (15 at the time) being in my bed (whenever I stayed with her) choking to death and she couldn't save me. She woke up panicked and feeling helpless so she prayed for me, to God/Jesus, fervently, until she felt that her prayers had done some good. Next day she called my mom (her daughter) and asked about me, but Mom told her that I didn't want to speak with her and not call again.

Mom lied...she was scared of Granny learning I'd run away from home and get the cops after me, and it would get to Dad's family (same town as Granny) and then get to Dad...and then her child support payments would stop. And it was years before either of us figured out what she did.

I asked her when this happened and as best as I can recall this was almost if not the exact moment I experienced Freya. My best friend had just been found dead and I was suicidal over it (more of wanting to be with her and what was there here on Earth anyway?) and in my extreme distress a guy was holding me to keep me from harming myself as I sobbed...and then I seemed to "wake up."

I was flying in a virgin forest of gigantic trees at least the size of redwoods and it was peaceful, I heard a beautiful wordless song wondering where it came from and I realized it was me as I flew in the beautiful sunlight toward a gigantic tree that dwarfed all the others. I thought nothing as I realized I was going toward it but as I touched it I said, "Yggdrasil!" (It was the only one coherent word I said in all of this.) And then it was like I "woke up" yet again and I was with Freya, but here everything was much more indistinct, almost more like Light with some vague features, but I knew Her to be Freya, and She Sang, and Her Song made everything, and I understood Her Song like language (just as I sang language), and She told me that She Sang me into Existence to stand with Her against Ragnarok, and furthermore I had to "grow up/let your steel be tempered" and "not like the many who seek to be eternal children to their gods ever trying to crawl back into the womb that spit them out." And I felt such maternal (grandmotherly?) love and I basked in it, wanting to be tempered to stand by Her side one day, her Song complete.

And then I woke up again (for real? I was back in this world, and if I'm still dreaming then I have yet to awaken since then :tongue: ) in the arms of the guy who held me too exhausted to move (though when I'd been with Freya I'd been filled with energy). The suicidal impulse had left me completely, I had to grow, be strong.

And I strongly believe that this would not had happened had Granny not prayed to God/Jesus on my behalf! But why Freya? I believe I know at least that much:

I was on the streets and had to take care of myself, I couldn't just passively accept violence against me or I was doomed like my dead friend, and I didn't have any father/mother figure I could believe in so Jesus or Mary wasn't what I needed, I couldn't just "pray my enemies away" or be like Job, not if I was to grow up. I needed a strong woman who could both love & fight, be strong & independent, and be my inspiration when I had no adults to look up to like that. And I'd learned to distrust Christianity, too. So Freya was both what I could accept and what I needed the most.

I also believe the shrooms I'd done months before affected this as well...when I was tripping "the shrooms" talked to me in a way similar as Freya did, more of an "understanding" and similar feeling and in retrospect I believe that I, on the streets with my body fat and its stored psilocybin melting under intense exercise and very little food and combined with extreme grief and desperation gave just enough of a spark for me to have that vision, a vision I needed.

But I also think that Granny's fervent prayer for me was also required to make it happen and that we shared a psychic bond (which is why she awakened from her nightmare about me as she had, I really was close to death and choking on this world), and we share a Swedish ancestry (she's a Solberg) so that when her religion would not work for me then the energy in our genes/heritage manifested as Freya instead. (Perhaps if I'd come of Greek stock I'd have instead experienced Artemis of the Hunt...)

In any case I knew almost nothing of Scandinavian myth and legend (all I'd read before was a small section in the back of some book on mythology, though I recall relating that the gods would stand against Ragnarok though they knew it would kill them and understood why they would when the teacher who made us read it did not) but I found out more, and the following year I learned many had similar visions as my own since the early 70s at least, what one gythia (priestess) or gothi (priest) called "A wind through the World Tree." All the same, I do believe that my somewhat unique circumstances combined is why I had that experience as opposed to I'd been randomly selected or whatever.

Is Freya objectively real? Back then I'd say yes, without question, my belief in Her existence was too real to deny. But after many years I've thought about it and I'm not so sure...perhaps Freya was just what I needed (see all the above) or more of a metaphor I could relate to (and the children's book I read would encourage a deity like Freya to appear to me, too). But one thing I am sure of (at least as close to sure as I can get) is that SOMETHING inexplicable touched me (that is, it wasn't "just a dream") and that Granny's prayer was one of the necessary components to have made it happen.

Btw, when we compared notes years later and learned of the likely connection I explained all about Scandinavian myth (which I knew well by then) and asked her if she'd visit me in my heaven (as the Christian one seemed rather bigoted) and she laughed saying, "You'll see your trappings and I'll see mine but we'll still be together and love each other." I LOVED that reply. mile:

[Sylph]

Wow

I'm...I'm literally astonished
:crying-and-sorry-li

Such an immense level of Spiritual endowment and pressure T^T .

But tell me, is this presence still prevalent in your life outside of the visions/experiences with her?

The Manifestation of spiritual enlightenment comes to those who ask for it or rather who are in benevolent need of it, so it comes to pass that you would experience such an event.

True, physical external stimuli can emulate and/or even trigger such events within the spiritual frame of one's person, but if not for the event in question to need to occur, why then should that belittle the experience/event, even if triggered by external sources?("Shrooms" as you say).

I do not believe we can on command, commune with such large entities of spiritual pressure, but they are always present, even when you stop believing.

Perhaps it's what you wanted to happen, perhaps it was all in your head, but does that make it any less real?