Age of consent, paedophilia, NAMBLA etc.

[mbennet35]

I am going to do something I have never done before. Only a couple of people know this but I am finally ready to come out with it.

When I was 9 years old I was molested by a family member. They told me that it was not wrong and that everyone does it and that it was normal.

Afterwards I felt guilty and I never told anyone until I was 18 years old. I suffered from severe depession and when I was 16 years old I tried to kill myself.

It was not until it was 19 that I started to actually come out of my deperesion. The point of this I consented with it but it really messed me up.

[Nightcrawler]

I am going to do something I have never done before. Only a couple of people know this but I am finally ready to come out with it.

When I was 9 years old I was molested by a family member. They told me that it was not wrong and that everyone does it and that it was normal.

Afterwards I felt guilty and I never told anyone until I was 18 years old. I suffered from severe depession and when I was 16 years old I tried to kill myself.

It was not until it was 19 that I started to actually come out of my deperesion. The point of this I consented with it but it really messed me up.

I can't imagine what you went through,
but I can say from my point of view of the present,
that not only you made through it,
you are so strong and brave and full of love that you can make other people strong and brave and loving !
Like a candle that can give light for other candles and never lose its own fire, this is how amazing you are !

[SolemnBoy]

so you think its ok as long as theres mutual consent

Uhm no, I never said that...

[Dreamer]

what's your take on paedophilia as a whole?

Call me biased,
but I believe the only solution for a pedophile
is capital punishment.


I believe this "slap on the wrist' approach
when it comes to the legal ramifications of sexually abusing a child
needs to be abolished
as it only gives perverts another reason to not think twice.


Fuck the sexual offender registry
for the less than 1% of active pedophiles
who are actually caught in the act and rarely prosecuted,
I advocate for the murder of all pedophiles,
the active and inactive alike!


Research should be done so that tests can be made
to filter out these scumbags from our existence one by one.


A sentence of unspeakable torture should be applied
to those who are proven to have sexually abused children
equaling a length of time parallel to that
of the abuse they portrayed on their victims.


They should die in their torture chambers
during the act of being tortured
when their sentences are complete.


For the ones who have kept their "predispositions" to themselves
without harming a single child,
they should be given leniency
and humanely euthanized accordingly.


Maybe, I should start my own organization
focused on locating and killing pedophiles...
I'd have to work on a name for it, though,
so any suggestions would be appreciated.

Do you support NAMBLA's rights to advocate such taboo opinions

I agree with the concept of freedom of speech,
and like the option of weeding out sickos who practice that right,
but I don't agree with the poorly deceptive ideology of NAMBLA
which was created for the mere purpose of abusing children.


I'm the product of sexual abuse,
and although I was manipulated into "wanting it"
at the ripe old age of 7
over a span of two years on an almost daily basis,
doesn't prove that I was able to "love" equally the grown man
who corrupted my innocence and laid me down a path of internal struggle.


Did I perceive it as "love", back then?


Sure!


His exquisite grooming process had me thinking he genuinely did love and care for me,
as I yearned for his companionship, and yes, even his physical "affection"...
but as with all children I was vulnerable to be made to think that way,
and it didn't make it true.


I was a very easy target:
lonely, depressed, isolated,
drowning in an ocean of feeling unwanted...
(That's the foster care system for you)


Pedophiles seem to have a sixth sense,
like all predators, in targeting their prey.


I was given a life sentence of brokenness,
and let me tell you "love" had nothing to do with it!

I for one, believe that the general attitude towards paedophilia is very harmful.

Harmful to who?


Pedophiles?
(Unfortunately, my hand of compassion doesn't extend to them)


The falsely accused?


We have a legal system for those sorts of things,
and in caparison to those who are really guilty of abusing children,
the almost non-existent collateral damage doesn't call for a shift
in "quieting down" society's approach to rid the world of pedophilia.


Just because people are falsely accused
and sentenced to prison for murder, robbery, etc...
doesn't mean society should slow down in it's public disdain
for murderers and thieves.


I believe the "general attitudes" towards pedophilia today
are extremely complacent and highly reprehensible,
given the irreversible damage done to the victims of it,
and the indisputable pathetic results
when it comes down to the prosecution of pedophiles.


These attitudes are harmful to children everywhere,
especially when things like religion
(or any other system of idol worship) come into play.

If you believe our attractions are beyond our control, it's obvious that there's nothing inherently wrong with being attracted to something criminal.

Just because one may believe attractions are beyond our control,
doesn't warrant a belief that there is nothing wrong with someone else
having a certain gravitational pull to something as fucked up as raping children.


Sure, not all pedophiles may act on their "predispositions",
but given the little to big chance that they even consider doing so...
well, there's something very wrong with that.


My attraction to other guys MY AGE,
men who CAN make rational distinctions
on whether or not they'd like to participate,
with a MUTUAL effort
and full understanding of all implications involved,
without manipulation or coercion,
in consensual sexual involvement CANNOT be compared to the desires of a pedophile
yearning to manipulate the small mind of a child
so that they can achieve nothing more than sexually gratification
while also fulfilling their sadomasochistic power-play fantasies on an innocent child,
a child who could never comprehend
or truly accept beforehand,
the physical and psychological damage about to be done to them.


It's wrong and it should never be tolerated
or excused under any circumstance!

[SolemnBoy]

I'm against capital punishment in all conceivable curcumstances and I find the thought of executing people for having illegal paraphilia without even acting out on it pretty disturbing.

"Just because people are falsely accused
and sentenced to prison for murder, robbery, etc...
doesn't mean society should slow down in it's public disdain
for murderers and thieves."

Well, no, of course not. I was just pointing out that I've personally witnessed hordes of worried parents publically shaming and verbally abusing a man they thought was a paedophile because they had "heard it from some people" which is obviously wrong. Sexually abusing a child is one of the worst crimes I can think about but when the sheer horror of the possibility itself is enough to deprive adults of all reason and source criticism that becomes a problem in its own right.

[Dreamer]

I was just pointing out that I've personally witnessed hordes of worried parents publically shaming and verbally abusing a man they thought was a paedophile because they had "heard it from some people" which is obviously wrong.

Given how great pedophiles are at hiding their abuse
and evading legal prosecution
which would have proven that they were indeed child molesters,
"hearing it from someone" would suffice enough reason
for me to protect my own children
or do what I could to warn other parents
or children of any potential danger lurking nearby.


It's better to play it safe now than to be sorry later,
despite any ruined reputations
that would try to convince me otherwise.

Sexually abusing a child is one of the worst crimes I can think about but when the sheer horror of the possibility itself is enough to deprive adults of all reason and source criticism that becomes a problem in its own right.

Any parent that wouldn't put their guard up
upon hearing of a potential child rapist living next door
shouldn't have kids in the first place.


The sheer horror of the possibility that one's own child
could be the next victim of an accused pedophile in itself
should be enough for any good parent
to evade that accused person at all costs
and tell others of that said rumor.


It's the nonchalant, unconcerned,
or complacent parents who end up having to identify
their missing child's body found decomposing in a ditch somewhere.


We live in a world full of evil,
and while I agree that we shouldn't be walking on egg shells
about everything we hear on the news
or what someone is gossiping about,
when it comes to the welfare of children
there should be no exceptions made,
no matter how unfair it may be to, for instance,
the accused (yet not proven) "convicted" child molester
living in your neighborhood.

[trialbyerror]

Mmmmmm, a difficult one, indeed.

Just to thicken the soup, over here, we have the tribal culture of where girls, as young as 14, are sold into wifeary, IE sold, by the parents, for a suitable amount (can be cattle) to a man as his wife.....

OK back to the point.

Pedophillia is one thing. This is immoral and should be sanctioned, definatly.

An older - younger relationship is another. My personal opinion? I have no problem with this, provided no law is broken.

Including, and let's be very clear here, no moral law either.

This includes mental ability, particurlarly that of the younger, or any other form of coersion, manipulation, force, threat or other means.

If any of the above is part of the equasion, it is morally unsuportable, and therfore, to me, very wrong.

It is such a mirky area, and each case is different.

I have openly supported one such case here on GS, yet to another, I said run for the hills, based on the details given.

What 2 consenting people get from a relationship is there business, not mine.

Who the hell am I to judge? 2 people are happpy, leave them be.

Since "youth"is under discussion, and not old age

A mature, cognisent 16 YO is quite appropriate, whereas an immature, non-cognisent 25 YO would be as in-appropriate as a pre-pubecient child.

Our country has just de-criminalised child sex.

This does not mean that sex with children is de-criminalised.

This means that sexual contact, which includes kissing, touching and fondling between minors of similar age is not a criminal offence.

This means that if one person is over the statuary limit and the other is below, but of similar age, sex and sexual contact is no longer a criminal offence.

Under the previous law, a 16YO boy, who kissed his 15YO girlfriend was a sex offender.

Food for thought????

[zuffenhausen]

I've met 14 year olds with more sexual experience than some people in their 20's. Age of consent is 16 here and i reckon that's a "safe" number, but if they dropped it to 14 i wouldn't consider it all that radical. You're either sexually active or not, there's no grey area even for teenagers, if someone starts having sex at 14 by their own free will then good on em, and if they want to hook up with someone older, do we have a right to stop them?

[Jake]

Few words on the subject:

ANYONE TOUCHING, COERCING, FORCING ANY OF MY CHILDREN TO HAVE SEX WITH THEM WHILE THEY ARE AT THE INNOCENT AGE OF DISCOVERY WILL DIE, DIE, DIE, AND DIE.

I studied sociology and criminology to an extend that I could kill someone and make it a perfect murder. I'd kill the motherfucker, I'll track him/her down to China town until I can get is bloody head on a pole and feed his/her genitalia to dogs. Like it was so nicely done in 13th century.

There are no reason to touch a children. They don't know what you're doing, you break their trust in adults and you mark them forever. Let children discover themselves between themselves. If they have question they can always ask an adult... however the adult should SAY not SHOW.

[Jake]

I've met 14 year olds with more sexual experience than some people in their 20's. Age of consent is 16 here and i reckon that's a "safe" number, but if they dropped it to 14 i wouldn't consider it all that radical. You're either sexually active or not, there's no grey area even for teenagers, if someone starts having sex at 14 by their own free will then good on em, and if they want to hook up with someone older, do we have a right to stop them?

As parent you DO... don't try to sugarcoat a social pandemic... YES you do have the right to stop them, NO 14 years old and being sexually active doesn't mean you should disregards their sexual education.