Actual event: A man walked to the store, and bought some eggs.
Movie (based on actual event): A man's family was desparately starving and he needed to act, he emerged from his house in a post apocalypic society to venture to the beast's den to steal it's unhatched young. Through tears, loss, blood, sweat, and sacrifice, he over threw the evil beast by exposing a dark alien plot - starting a revolution, and fed finally fed his starving family.
Basically, even when movies are 'based on a true story', they need to make drama, they need to make sterotypes that are comfortable to the audience, and it's not "TRUE", it was just inspired by something that was true.
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747XL29 Wrote:There were two enigma machines captured on German U-Boats, one in 1941 by British Naval forces (the most important U-110) and another by US Naval forces in 1944 (U-505), the enigma was taken to Bletchley Park and the submarine was towed to the US and the crew was held in a separate facility until after the war so the German gov and their families would assume they were all KIA.
I have actually handled, stripped down and used the 2nd Enigma machine captured by the British, from the German forces in Poland.
Quite a brilliant piece of engineering. The only reason the Germans subsequently "lost" the cypher war was due to the weakest link (isn't it always) The operators themselves who used the same code word day in and day out at the start of every message.
Quite how the British (BRITISH!) managed to not only invent the first ever electronic, "computerised" signal decoder from nothing more than an idea and a box of leftover radio parts, but to then have the brilliant mathematician Alan Turing work out the logic needed to make it work is still a mystery. A mystery because the British establishment decided the work was so secret and highly classified they destroyed all the plans along with the original machines when the war ended.
A fascinating story, and one Ive been privileged to learn from the inside.
http://www.bletchleypark.org.uk
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OlderButWiser Wrote:I have actually handled, stripped down and used the 2nd Enigma machine captured by the British, from the German forces in Poland.
Quite a brilliant piece of engineering. The only reason the Germans subsequently "lost" the cypher war was due to the weakest link (isn't it always) The operators themselves who used the same code word day in and day out at the start of every message.
Quite how the British (BRITISH!) managed to not only invent the first ever electronic, "computerised" signal decoder from nothing more than an idea and a box of leftover radio parts, but to then have the brilliant mathematician Alan Turing work out the logic needed to make it work is still a mystery. A mystery because the British establishment decided the work was so secret and highly classified they destroyed all the plans along with the original machines when the war ended.
A fascinating story, and one Ive been privileged to learn from the inside.
http://www.bletchleypark.org.uk
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That's one heck of a piece of history. Very cool.
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747XL29 Wrote:There were two enigma machines captured on German U-Boats, one in 1941 by British Naval forces (the most important U-110) and another by US Naval forces in 1944 (U-505), the enigma was taken to Bletchley Park and the submarine was towed to the US and the crew was held in a separate facility until after the war so the German gov and their families would assume they were all KIA.
ETA: the movie was pretty silly - historically.
Yes and the enigma was deciphered 7 months before the US entered the war and a full year before the film was set.
The U-571 was sunk by australians……
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OlderButWiser Wrote:I have actually handled, stripped down and used the 2nd Enigma machine captured by the British, from the German forces in Poland.
Quite a brilliant piece of engineering. The only reason the Germans subsequently "lost" the cypher war was due to the weakest link (isn't it always) The operators themselves who used the same code word day in and day out at the start of every message.
Quite how the British (BRITISH!) managed to not only invent the first ever electronic, "computerised" signal decoder from nothing more than an idea and a box of leftover radio parts, but to then have the brilliant mathematician Alan Turing work out the logic needed to make it work is still a mystery. A mystery because the British establishment decided the work was so secret and highly classified they destroyed all the plans along with the original machines when the war ended.
A fascinating story, and one Ive been privileged to learn from the inside.
http://www.bletchleypark.org.uk
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Yes we invented the computer…still secrets now… churchill would have written another book "history of the second world war" had he been allowed.
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OlderButWiser Wrote:Ive watched Argo, and thought it was a great film.
All movies, based on fact or fiction use artistic licence in order to reach out to the widest possible audience, not to mention to generate ticket sales to cover costs.
Argo is no different.
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I understand but Argo is very different, this is not artistic licence, it serves no purpose, im afraid your wrong here and im not the only one who is not watching Argo
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Woollyhats Wrote:Actual event: A man walked to the store, and bought some eggs.
Movie (based on actual event): A man's family was desparately starving and he needed to act, he emerged from his house in a post apocalypic society to venture to the beast's den to steal it's unhatched young. Through tears, loss, blood, sweat, and sacrifice, he over threw the evil beast by exposing a dark alien plot - starting a revolution, and fed finally fed his starving family.
A Hollywood writer in the making................
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Hollywood has a LOT to answer for, with the bastardization, misconceptions, and lies it tells.......making people believe they are true.
I think Hollywood should be made to pay for all the lies and misconceptions when making movies, tv shows, and such on "based on true events" thing.
As far as I understand it, Hollywood can take ONE tiny, itsy bitsy event, and turn it into a huge theatrical movie event. A two hour "true event" movie might hold 5 seconds worth of actual, true events......and the rest of the movie is just bogus shit. And people believe all of the Hollywood shit, but wont believe what actually happened.
But then again, you have morons out there who believe EVERYTHING they hear and see in/on the media!!!!!
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Woollyhats Wrote:Actual event: A man walked to the store, and bought some eggs.
Movie (based on actual event): A man's family was desparately starving and he needed to act, he emerged from his house in a post apocalypic society to venture to the beast's den to steal it's unhatched young. Through tears, loss, blood, sweat, and sacrifice, he over threw the evil beast by exposing a dark alien plot - starting a revolution, and fed finally fed his starving family.
Basically, even when movies are 'based on a true story', they need to make drama, they need to make sterotypes that are comfortable to the audience, and it's not "TRUE", it was just inspired by something that was true.
This cracked me up. Its not the ending I was eggspecting 
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I will say allot of folks saw Argo long before people were aware of just how much the "story" had been changed. I read the book years ago and expected something roughly similar and got the equivalent of an episode of the "A-Team"....and was disappointed.
C'est la vie
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Dont watch "Argo"
