Cuddly Wrote:Curiously, as soon as you bring up god(s) in a scientific debate, everything falls flat on its face... I wonder why....
I was going to let that pass by.. but since you've scratched that scab I might as well go for blood.
I'm pretty religious in my own way and like to think god and I are on the same team and on a first name basis. But I know there's nothing in science that has anything to do with god and nothing about god that has anything to do with science. In fact people who use god to try to explain matters in science are no different than a really remote tribe somewhere around Borneo back in the 1940s who saw their first airplanes flying overhead during the 2nd world war and created an entire religion based on air planes.
There was a really smart dude named Immanuel Kant back in the Age of Reason who was real concerned about the friction between religion and sciences that were just breaking free from church domination. He did what all parents do when two kids can't play together. He sent religion and science to their separate rooms (so to speak) to play by themselves with their own toys and told them not to bother each other.
Science got all toys that could be sensed and experienced and could have their existence explained through reason. They're called phenomena, plural or phenomenon, singular.
Religion got all the toys that could not be sensed or experienced BUT could be reasoned to exist. They're called noumena or noumenon. No one talks much about them anymore. Anyway... guess who kept screwing up Kant's idea and leaving their "room" to play with some else's toys all the time???? Do you need two guesses?
My big issue with religion is real simple. They need to get their asses back in their own room and play with their own toys and stop fighting with science and trying to take their toys. That covers human sexuality, the origins of life, government, law, and just about everything else that can be sensed and experienced in this world.
[COLOR="Red"]So right here and now let's stop the discussion of religion on a thread about a scientific issue and stop setting up a conflict between two fucking brats (science and religion) who only get along when they are kept in their own rooms.
Thanks.[/COLOR]
if someone wants to start a thread on religion I'll be glad to comment on it and beat the crap out of the first person who wants to let science in to play with toys that don't belong to science.