Sexual abstinence

[East]

In a sense, yes. When compared to someone else who's always looking for sex.

I completely disagree. I sensed that might be an underlying factor which is why I posed the question versus responding to the point you made directly...

[ETOTE]

I beg to differ.

I do admire asexuals (i.e. anyone who freely chooses not to have sex, incl. celibacy and abstinence). I'm not saying they're better than others, but they have my admiration:

a) It's always brave to go against the majority.

b) It's even braver when you know you're going to be ridiculed and insulted by the majority and you still do it - which is clearly the case of asexuals, most people see them as freaks

c) It's even more admirable when you're right and the rest of the world is wrong - not necessarily the case here, there's nothing wrong or immoral about sex, even though I do believe our society is too 'sexual'.

Let's repeat this again as you seem to not be getting it.

Someone who is celibate by choice who chooses not to have sex, preferring abstinence when they are clearly denying their desires to want to engage in sex is not asexual, they are celibate by choice or abstinent. Someone who identifies as asexual merely has no desire to engage in sexual activity with another person, unless in some instances they make a deep emotional connection with someone as is the case with someone who identifies as demisexual for example. Celibacy is merely not having sex whether you want it or not.

Please stop confusing abstinence with asexuality.



perhaps this will help

Celibacy: Not having sex for some reason. (“I don’t have sex because __________.”
Abstinence: Choosing not to have sex for some reason. (“I don’t have sex because I choose not to.”
Asexuality: Not having sexual attraction. May or may not have sex. (“Sex? What’s that? Please pass the cake.”

http://www.asexualityarchive.com/asexual...ifference/

Celibacy

Abstinence

Asexuality


Are we done with this confusion now?

[dynamodean]

I beg to differ.

I do admire asexuals (i.e. anyone who freely chooses not to have sex, incl. celibacy and abstinence). I'm not saying they're better than others, but they have my admiration:

a) It's always brave to go against the majority.

b) It's even braver when you know you're going to be ridiculed and insulted by the majority and you still do it - which is clearly the case of asexuals, most people see them as freaks

c) It's even more admirable when you're right and the rest of the world is wrong - not necessarily the case here, there's nothing wrong or immoral about sex, even though I do believe our society is too 'sexual'.

Asexuals are people who have no desire to have sex....versus abstinence, which is the practice from abstaining from sex (even though you may have the urge to). There is a difference.

Also, I feel like you may be addressing the wrong person, as I never ridicule people who choose to not have sex (whether through no desire, or whether they choose to not give in to their urges). Besides, we "sexuals" often get ridiculed too....being called slutty, a big whore, having no values...etc. The discrimination goes both ways.

[Virge]

I beg to differ.

I do admire asexuals (i.e. anyone who freely chooses not to have sex, incl. celibacy and abstinence). I'm not saying they're better than others, but they have my admiration:

a) It's always brave to go against the majority.

b) It's even braver when you know you're going to be ridiculed and insulted by the majority and you still do it - which is clearly the case of asexuals, most people see them as freaks

c) [B]It's even more admirable when you're right and the rest of the world is wrong[/B] - not necessarily the case here, there's nothing wrong or immoral about sex, even though I do believe our society is too 'sexual'.

Well Mister Love I have to admire you for being consistent. It's a shame you can't turn your consistency towards some admirable things instead of pseudo christian mumbo jumbo. Let's remember it was just 3 weeks ago you were showing us ridiculous videos off youtube as (in your own words) Undeniable Proof that Hell is a Real Place. In that thread you also tried to convince us homosexuality really is a sin

Now here you are equivocating a mixed up combined definition of abstinence, celibacy, and asexuality that you've deemed admirable to some foggy state of purity.

You say these are times of shamelessness and hedonism.

But, you walked right into my wheelhouse when you said "It's even more admirable when you're right and the rest of the world is wrong."

The simplistic self serving christian mentality always does as you have said and perceives the world being dominated in a perpetual struggle to "Be Right" and prove everyone else "Wrong." You don't see how IMMORAL that is do you?

What Was the Second World War? It was a struggle between two irreconcilable forces for the power to "be right" and prove the other to "be wrong." That's what all wars boils down to. That's what almost all violence boils down to>>> the struggle to "be right."

You need to get off that papier mache self righteous high horse you're riding and learn to DO RIGHT rather than struggle to BE RIGHT. Until then leave your religious mumbo jumbo and moralizing about sexuality on the drawing board until you get the kinks worked out of it. Don't try to pass it off as being worthy of serious consideration.

And don't forget to re-read the words below.
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[Bowyn Aerrow]

...but would you say it's virtuous?

Celibacy is not virtuous, it just is.

Celibacy is considered a virtue because the church has long taught that sex in general is a sin.

If one doesn't consider consensual sex as a sin, then how can consensual no-sex be a 'virtue'?

vir·tue
noun
noun: virtue; plural noun: virtues
1.
behavior showing high moral standards.



If one considers celibacy as being virtuous (showing high moral standards) then the logical conclusion of that is that anyone who has sex is demonstrating low moral standards, or lack of morality.

Which we can infer that the only right, moral path is for all of us to stop that breeding and let the species die out.

I believe it was the Shakers who demonstrated there is a minor flaw in this sort of morality. :tongue:

[Buzzer]

I had the man yodeling.

Attracts sharks yo.

[Buzzer]

Again, I disagree.

Virtue / heroism, etc. is all about making the toughest choices and the tough choice in this case is abstinence (i.e. renouncing pleasure).

But again, I'm not saying that abstinence alone will make you better than everyone else.

For the great majority of people, not getting any sex at all is not a "choice" but something that is happening against their wishes for various reasons.

Again I don't see how one not getting sex is inherently moral or virtuous unless one shares your unspoken (but apparent) belief that sex in and of itself is an inherently immoral act in most cases.

[Virge]

celibacy: (real definition)
"I'm too damned lazy or unmotivated to compete for the attentions of those I'm attracted to so I'm going to pretend there's some higher spiritual meaning to my not getting laid and just make do jerking off."

[LJay]

Any Jews here? Does Judaism have the same attitude toward sex and Christianity? My suspicion is that it does not, but I would appreciate hearing from a conscientious practitioner.

And, Buzzer, you hit this one slam on the head:
"For the great majority of people, not getting any sex at all is not a "choice" but something that is happening against their wishes for various reasons."

[Virge]

I 2008 in Gibraltar I actually asked a rabbi about judaism's attitude about sex after I read a thing in a history book about them being completely unlike christian morality about it. He snickered about it.

He explained that jews since the beginning have never put chastity or virginity up on the level christians do. He said judaism is 'sex-posiitve' and that they believe it is not only natural but vital. Then he had some really sarcastic things to say about people who devote their lives to a god who enabled and empowered them to have sex but ignore the natural order of life as it was designed to be lived. He also said he'd place gays and lesbians above priests and nuns.

It sounded good to me.