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[princealbertofb]

I'm still trying to understand what happened last night, and just how anyone could deliberately run over people and children with a lorry. It's completely insane. A lot of misery, and total dismay at this lack the notion of life's sanctity.

[Pix]

[FONT="Comic Sans MS"]Words cannot describe these murderous fanatics that murder in the name of Islam when Islam has in fact nothing to do with their ideology. The only thing they will achive will be to drive France's extreme right wing in to the forefront of politics

Which the smarter terrorists want because the extreme right (whatever form it takes, Muslim or Christian or just generally nationalistic) typically treats the innocent as same as the guilty, which in turns pushes moderates (who tend to be the majority) in with the violent extremists (typically a small minority). On top of that, the hateful rhetoric to typically come out of the extreme right, especially when it appears to have popular support, then gives the extreme right of Muslim fanatics more to use in their propaganda to show how all the west is an enemy to Islam and will hate them no matter what, so might as well side with the radical extremists who are "fighting back."

[meridannight]

I'm still trying to understand what happened last night, and just how anyone could deliberately run over people and children with a lorry. It's completely insane. A lot of misery, and total dismay at this lack the notion of life's sanctity.

this isn't the first time this happens. a couple of years back there was the same kind of incident in one of the Islamic countries.

personally, i don't get what the difference is how many kids die or don't die, why it always needs to be pointed out how many there were. adult death like this is just as tragic, even more so than kids. and if you go out to attack mass venues there are bound to be some kids in the crowd so it's not like anybody could avoid those casualties even if they wanted to. i don't feel sorry for the kids like that.

[East]

this isn't the first time this happens. a couple of years back there was the same kind of incident in one of the Islamic countries.

personally, i don't get what the difference is how many kids die or don't die, why it always needs to be pointed out how many there were. adult death like this is just as tragic, even more so than kids. and if you go out to attack mass venues there are bound to be some kids in the crowd so it's not like anybody could avoid those casualties even if they wanted to. i don't feel sorry for the kids like that.

I think I understand. For me...I have a natural instinct to want to protect any child....it isn't something I even think about. It is a natural reflex response....

...and I know for a parent....it sometimes feels like they are walking around dead after losing a child and it is difficult and even sometimes impossible to come to terms with. The helpless feeling of not being able to protect them can be crippling..and it can break even the strongest person and bring them to their knees.....

[LJay]

"All we are saying is give peace a chance."

[princealbertofb]

this isn't the first time this happens. a couple of years back there was the same kind of incident in one of the Islamic countries.

personally, i don't get what the difference is how many kids die or don't die, why it always needs to be pointed out how many there were. adult death like this is just as tragic, even more so than kids. and if you go out to attack mass venues there are bound to be some kids in the crowd so it's not like anybody could avoid those casualties even if they wanted to. i don't feel sorry for the kids like that.

I think the mention of children being killed is about the loss of a future. They have, technically, the most years to experience yet. But anyway, yes, I agree with you all lives matter.

[princealbertofb]

Which the smarter terrorists want because the extreme right (whatever form it takes, Muslim or Christian or just generally nationalistic) typically treats the innocent as same as the guilty, which in turns pushes moderates (who tend to be the majority) in with the violent extremists (typically a small minority). On top of that, the hateful rhetoric to typically come out of the extreme right, especially when it appears to have popular support, then gives the extreme right of Muslim fanatics more to use in their propaganda to show how all the west is an enemy to Islam and will hate them no matter what, so might as well side with the radical extremists who are "fighting back."

Then, [MENTION=14705]Pix[/MENTION], maybe the answer really is to turn the other cheek? Maybe Jesus had a point?

[Confuzzled4]

I was going to put some politics into this post, but I just can't right now. This is just so heartbreaking, every tragedy like this is just heartbreaking.

[Pix]

Then, [MENTION=14705]Pix[/MENTION], maybe the answer really is to turn the other cheek? Maybe Jesus had a point?

Of course not. But the far right wants to treat "other tribes" like some hive mind of evil, and that snowballs a cycle into getting worse (Taoism and Buddhism are eloquent about this, too bad those aren't the major religions instead of Christianity and Islam). By all means, go after the guilty (and those who knowingly assist them), just don't treat the innocent as if they were guilty.

Put it like this: what if a wedding of your nation was bombed because ONE person there (out of scores) was SUSPECTED of being a criminal? And then, waiting for ER crews to arrive, like ambulance, they get hit AGAIN, because they MIGHT be bad people? And meanwhile people with last names as yours were being silently taken and turned over to be tortured (not just in American detention facilities, but also other governments)? I bet you'd hate those people with the fury of a thousand suns, and just might even join those fighting back. And, unfortunately, that's what we've been doing, and what the far right thinks SHOULD be done.

But that doesn't mean the alternative is to shrug our shoulders at it. Though I don't have the time to look it up now, the US military has had great success in the past fighting militant enemies of America by working with the demographic the enemies come from, by doing good deeds and building goodwill so that the said demographic turned on the terrorists and helped our military root them out, sometimes executing the said enemies themselves and saving America the trouble. This is what happens when you target the guilty rather than the entire demographic.

Unfortunately, the far right, which includes Muslim terrorists who think and act in similar ways, WANT it to be a war, preferably one that they win, but they'd rather die than learn to get along. But most people aren't like that, they just want to live their lives with as little hassle as possible. So the best thing those terrorists can do is make it so that those moderates get targeted as well, and learn to hate and thus embrace an evil cause. Not good against evil, but evil against evil.

I'm probably not explaining it right, but I'm too tired and pressed for time to polish this. It's too bad that the older, more honorable, methods don't even get considered anymore as that's too complicated and it's just easier to hate and kill everyone to let God figure them out, and as that tactic blows up in our faces, then do it again even harder.

[princealbertofb]

I think I was extolling resilience, rather than letting everyone trample over you, @Pix... You are probably right about how some people fight the fight and with what vigour. But in the meantime, the victims have to be allowed to continue living in a difficult world. What strategy is the best?