Should sex offenders be allowed to appeal?

[simon]

Not for life without possibility of appeal.

You believe that some people should be on the register for life without possibility of appeal, but decline to answer my question about who those people actually should be.

if you read my post above I very clearly say who should be on the register for life,PEDOS.

you ask for details and say details are important, they are but only if you beleive in principal that some classes of sex offenders should be on a register for life,you clearly don't so asking for details when you have all ready discounted the principal is a bit pointless really.

[fredv3b]

Have you looked at the statistics? Dude, no.

Which stats?

Simon, to follow your logic, no discussion is possible on any issue where there will not be agreement.

[simon]

Which stats?

Simon, to follow your logic, no discussion is possible on any issue where there will not be agreement.

well I think if you look back this has been discussed and it is clear we do not agree,you fail to see that the crime is so bad it deserves a life sentence,for some unknown reason you beleive a pedo can stop having pedeo thoughts,thats just not going to happen,so once they have already acted on those thoughts,just having the thoughts is enough to warrant them on a register for life.

[Beaux]

Which stats?

Simon, to follow your logic, no discussion is possible on any issue where there will not be agreement.

You can look up more for yourself, but here are a few:
Treatment of pedohphiles has low success rate
Early studies, conducted in the 70's and 80's, were unable to detect differences in recidivism rates between sex offenders who had undergone treatment and those who had not (Furby, Weinrott, & Blackshaw, 1989). This finding was widely publicized, leading to skepticism about the benefits of treatment, and opening the door to punitive public policies. Actually, although the research is not unequivocal, treatment has been found to decrease sex offense recidivism. Recent, statistically sophisticated studies with extremely large combined samples have found that contemporary cognitive-behavioral treatment does help to reduce rates of sexual reoffending by as much as 40% (Hanson, Gordon, Harris, Marques, Murphy, Quinsey, & Seto, 2002). However, treatment does not work equally well for all offenders (like any psychological or mental health treatment -- or medical interventions, for that matter). Some research indicates that comprehensive programs and length of time in treatment are also important factors in the effectiveness of treatment (Hall, 1995; Lowden, Hetz, Harrison, Patrick, English, & Pasini-Hill, 2003). Treatment failure is associated with higher recidivism rates, and some research indicates that sex offenders who successfully complete a treatment program reoffend less often than those who do not demonstrate that they "got it" (Marques, Miederanders, Day, Nelson, & van Ommeren, 2005).

Pedophiles have a high repeat offense rate.
Studies that have tracked sex offenders over longer follow-up periods have found that pedophiles who molest boys, and rapists of adult women, were the types of offenders most likely to recidivate at rates of 52% and 39% respectively. Repeat offenders are more likely to reoffend than first-time offenders. Those who comply with probation and treatment have lower reoffense rates that those who violate the conditions of their release. Sex offenders who target strangers are more dangerous than those with victims inside their own family

It is also important to recognize that official recidivism statistics are always lower than actual reoffense rates, because some sex offenders commit many sex crimes that go unreported and undetected. It is estimated that less than 10% of all sex crimes result in a criminal conviction. This means that there are many sex offenders in our communities who have not yet been identified.

more importantly look at the stastics reguarding childern who have been molested, they have higher rates of suicide, alcohol use, drug use, higher arrest rates, and higher rates of sexual disfunction later in life.

FURTHERMORE, I encourge you to go to some of the incest survivor forums and talk to some of the members there. I am a member of several and I know that the victims of this crime would be happy to tell you how it has affected them.

[simon]

Which stats?

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here,it was very easy to find

* Incest offenders ranged between 4 and 10 percent.
* Rapists ranged between 7 and 35 percent.
* Child molesters with female victims ranged between 10 and 29 percent.
* Child molesters with male victims ranged between 13 and 40 percent.
* Exhibitionists ranged between 41 and 71 percent.

from this source

CSOM Publications - Recidivism of Sex Offenders

[East]

The damage Pedos do to children is unthinkable and it never ends...it isn't just the physical aspect of it...it is the mental aspect...each pedo gives his or her victims a potential lifetime sentence to be a prisoner in their mind.....

...until the day comes when this can be better understood to the point where there can possibly be a cure I definitely think that they should be on a list forever...

....their victims have no choice...no free will.....their trust is damaged and I don't think there is anything more heartbreaking....our instinct as human beings should be to protect children even if they are not our own. If that instinct is not working right then I think you should seek some counsel to help restore it.

Having said that...we need to make sure that the pedophile list just lists pedophiles...not the 17 and 15 year old lovers.....

Men or women over the age of 18 who have sexual relations with prepubescent children under the age of 12 would be a great guideline in my opinion. Public urinators and masterbaters should not be on the same list...it is a disservice to the victims or pedophiles...past, present and future.

[fredv3b]

Studies that have tracked sex offenders over longer follow-up periods have found that pedophiles who molest boys, and rapists of adult women, were the types of offenders most likely to recidivate at rates of 52% and 39% respectively. Repeat offenders are more likely to reoffend than first-time offenders. Those who comply with probation and treatment have lower reoffense rates that those who violate the conditions of their release.

Thank you for your reply. So nearly half (48%) of convicted molesters of boys were not convicted of repeat offences, with a higher proportion of first-time offenders who complied with treatment and probation not being re-convicted. I fully admit that a significant proportion of those may well re-offend but are not convicted. That still leaves a significant number of people who have, for practical purposes, changed. (I dare say the difference is in self control rather than attraction).

[Beaux]

Thank you for your reply. So nearly half (48%) of convicted molesters of boys were not convicted of repeat offences, with a higher proportion of first-time offenders who complied with treatment and probation not being re-convicted. I fully admit that a significant proportion of those may well re-offend but are not convicted. That still leaves a significant number of people who have, for practical purposes, changed. (I dare say the difference is in self control rather than attraction).

I find it rather disturbing that you would be willing to gamble with childerns lives.

[fredv3b]

I find it rather disturbing that you would be willing to gamble with childerns lives.

One cannot insulate children entirely from risk. If the crime of child molestation is so bad that justice requires a life sentence without parole or the death penalty then that is fair enough. However if lesser sentences are considered just, in order to fully protect children we must keep these people in prisons of some sort for the rest of their lives. That is a fair few people who would never have re-offended to be unjustly deprived of their liberty. Those who suggest such offenders should be released but placed on a register, even for life, are only partially protecting children.

I find it worrying when people imply the protection of children justifies anything.

[Beaux]

One cannot insulate children entirely from risk. If the crime of child molestation is so bad that justice requires a life sentence without parole or the death penalty then that is fair enough. However if lesser sentences are considered just, in order to fully protect children we must keep these people in prisons of some sort for the rest of their lives. That is a fair few people who would never have re-offended to be unjustly deprived of their liberty. Those who suggest such offenders should be released but placed on a register, even for life, are only partially protecting children.

I find it worrying when people imply the protection of children justifies anything.

They are not being unjustly deprived of their liberty. Part of the punishment for commiting heinous acts on childern is that after conviction they will be monitored. Do the crime, do the time.
What I hear you saying is: "Yes Mr. Phuckskids has caused irreparable damage to an innocent child, and yes there is a good chance that he will do it agin, but since he may not we shouldnt keep track of where he is and what he is doing. Lets wait and see if he rapes another one."