(06-01-2023, 08:22 PM)CellarDweller Wrote: To me, having faith is believing in the unseen.

So "unseen" is quite limiting, because you can still detect things that are unseen.

Is the god you have faith in completely undetectable?

I don't know how to detect it, and to be honest, I've never put much thought into it.

(06-04-2023, 11:37 PM)CellarDweller Wrote: I don't know how to detect it, and to be honest, I've never put much thought into it.

So it could be argued that this statement contradicts your earlier statement that you care about truth.

It could, but I think the two situations are different.

A cheating partner would be harming me emotionally, mentally, and possibly physically. That should be investigated and the truth known, so I can save myself from harm.

Whether or not a higher power exists doesn't harm me in any way that I can see. If I believe in one, and it's there, fine. If it's not there, my believing in it hasn't harmed me in any way.

(06-06-2023, 12:39 AM)CellarDweller Wrote: It could, but I think the two situations are different.

A cheating partner would be harming me emotionally, mentally, and possibly physically.  That should be investigated and the truth known, so I can save myself from harm.

Whether or not a higher power exists doesn't harm me in any way that I can see.  If I believe in one, and it's there, fine.  If it's not there, my believing in it hasn't harmed me in any way.

So then my next question is... what even is "belief" in this case? How does this belief manifest in any way in your life beyond just having the thought?

Beliefs are inter-related with values. The two fuel perception which fuels self-talk which fuels feelings with fuel reactions (survival) versus response abilities. So using this "choice of understanding" can thwart or facilitate growth, especially in terms of behavioral change and recovery-based processes.

(06-06-2023, 12:39 AM)CellarDweller Wrote: It could, but I think the two situations are different.

A cheating partner would be harming me emotionally, mentally, and possibly physically.  That should be investigated and the truth known, so I can save myself from harm.

Whether or not a higher power exists doesn't harm me in any way that I can see.  If I believe in one, and it's there, fine.  If it's not there, my believing in it hasn't harmed me in any way.

(06-06-2023, 11:56 AM)Scruff Bunch Wrote: So then my next question is... what even is "belief" in this case? How does this belief manifest in any way in your life beyond just having the thought?

Well, it's not an all-encompassing thing. When I'm feeling thankful about something major in my life, I offer a prayer of thanks.

I don't live my life around a belief in a higher power. I live by "treat others as you want to be treated", I don't think like "Oh, I can't do that because it would make God angry."

I believe for every drop of rain that falls,
A flower grows.

(06-08-2023, 02:44 PM)Cardiganwearer Wrote: I believe for every drop of rain that falls,
A flower grows.

B e a u t i f u l.
And it reminds me of a saying my granny had, "grow where you are planted."

(06-08-2023, 02:44 PM)Cardiganwearer Wrote: I believe for every drop of rain that falls,
A flower grows.

Well then, if I understand correctly, every place that is flooded when it rains, should become a garden, or perhaps a rainforest.

Why do you believe this?

(Bare in mind this was posted in the Religion section, so I was actually enquiring about religious beliefs).