01-26-2012, 08:34 AM
As Cher so aptly put it:
"...physically repulsive, intellectually retarded, you're morally reprehensible, vulgar, insensitive, selfish, stupid, you have no taste, a lousy sense of humor, and you smell."
Granted she was only talking about one demon, but most (not all) men are exactly that way.
The Gay scene has never (to my personal knowledge) promoted family values.
While a few may be family oriented, the major of us seek to reassess and change the whole concept of Family. This should be found in Chapter 5 (Redefining Family Values) of your copy of the Gay Agenda.
Also part of that Agenda is to promote promiscuity and to neuter the ideology of monogamy (Chapters 2 and 6) .
In all honesty most men are indeed pigs. The only difference between straight men and gay men is that straight men at least pretend to care about monogamy, love and other stuff because it appears to please women - and pleasing women is what straight men really, really, want to do.
Gay men, unfettered from the desire to please women, act with other men much as they want and the way other men want, which means 'openness' about sex - you know sinful things like promiscuity, open relationships, toe tapping in airport bathrooms.
Back about when I was your age I had the same problem. Thus this is not a new problem. Back then we still had bath houses and wild orgy parties... and better drugs. Sex was most likely better too, so few people bothered to wear a condom in those days.
Need I remind, that in my whole 45 years of life I have only had 8 sex partners?
Compared to the people who you (we) are talking about, this makes me practically a virgin. Understand I am a rarity in the world.
Understand that 6 of those were honest attempts at relationships. 5 of which failed spectacularly. OK, only two failed spectacularly, the others just failed.
The rest of the time I spent fighting the same exact fight you are fighting. Many lonely nights I went home alone. Many men I had to all but literally beat off of me, many a drinks I was given in hopes that if they could get me drunk enough they could get my pants off.
Actually love. Good luck with that. 6 Relationships, how many do you think were 'actual' love? Me thinks 2 - possibly three. The first who was patient enough to wait a little over 6 months before I went up to his room. The last who I have been with for over 14 years (and regardless how mean I can be, is still here). Possibly peter, but he was always busy chasing the bag and our 'relationship' was mostly him coming over to my house to crash and burn after a week or so of hard tweaking... that and to show me how to IV use and turn me on to a whole slew of interesting substances. God that guy loved me.....
The others were, most likely, playing a game to get a piece of this. Men are willing to do a lot of things to make a conquest, up to and including playing at a relationship in order to trick you into their bed.
Where are the old fashioned values and manners? I don't know, they didn't exist in the 80's when I entered the scene. They definitely were not there in the rave halls and bars and clubs as I was using and drinking. They were in the bathhouses, YMCA and various other party places I was invited to (to discover I was really invited to an orgy!).
I think you are placing to high of hopes on the majority of humans - Yeah the whole of humanity, not just gays.
Humans play a good game of talking a good talk, Take the Victorians, according to them sex didn't happen, however history reveals that S&M and many other interesting things took place that was carefully not noted down in social pages of the Era. The more sexually repressed a society is, the more wild and nasty it can be.
There are a few of us out here. Pity I'm too old for you... So you will have to find the other two. Good luck. :tongue:
"...physically repulsive, intellectually retarded, you're morally reprehensible, vulgar, insensitive, selfish, stupid, you have no taste, a lousy sense of humor, and you smell."
Granted she was only talking about one demon, but most (not all) men are exactly that way.
The Gay scene has never (to my personal knowledge) promoted family values.
While a few may be family oriented, the major of us seek to reassess and change the whole concept of Family. This should be found in Chapter 5 (Redefining Family Values) of your copy of the Gay Agenda.
Also part of that Agenda is to promote promiscuity and to neuter the ideology of monogamy (Chapters 2 and 6) .
In all honesty most men are indeed pigs. The only difference between straight men and gay men is that straight men at least pretend to care about monogamy, love and other stuff because it appears to please women - and pleasing women is what straight men really, really, want to do.
Gay men, unfettered from the desire to please women, act with other men much as they want and the way other men want, which means 'openness' about sex - you know sinful things like promiscuity, open relationships, toe tapping in airport bathrooms.
Back about when I was your age I had the same problem. Thus this is not a new problem. Back then we still had bath houses and wild orgy parties... and better drugs. Sex was most likely better too, so few people bothered to wear a condom in those days.
Need I remind, that in my whole 45 years of life I have only had 8 sex partners?
Compared to the people who you (we) are talking about, this makes me practically a virgin. Understand I am a rarity in the world.
Understand that 6 of those were honest attempts at relationships. 5 of which failed spectacularly. OK, only two failed spectacularly, the others just failed.
The rest of the time I spent fighting the same exact fight you are fighting. Many lonely nights I went home alone. Many men I had to all but literally beat off of me, many a drinks I was given in hopes that if they could get me drunk enough they could get my pants off.
Actually love. Good luck with that. 6 Relationships, how many do you think were 'actual' love? Me thinks 2 - possibly three. The first who was patient enough to wait a little over 6 months before I went up to his room. The last who I have been with for over 14 years (and regardless how mean I can be, is still here). Possibly peter, but he was always busy chasing the bag and our 'relationship' was mostly him coming over to my house to crash and burn after a week or so of hard tweaking... that and to show me how to IV use and turn me on to a whole slew of interesting substances. God that guy loved me.....
The others were, most likely, playing a game to get a piece of this. Men are willing to do a lot of things to make a conquest, up to and including playing at a relationship in order to trick you into their bed.
Where are the old fashioned values and manners? I don't know, they didn't exist in the 80's when I entered the scene. They definitely were not there in the rave halls and bars and clubs as I was using and drinking. They were in the bathhouses, YMCA and various other party places I was invited to (to discover I was really invited to an orgy!).
I think you are placing to high of hopes on the majority of humans - Yeah the whole of humanity, not just gays.
Humans play a good game of talking a good talk, Take the Victorians, according to them sex didn't happen, however history reveals that S&M and many other interesting things took place that was carefully not noted down in social pages of the Era. The more sexually repressed a society is, the more wild and nasty it can be.
There are a few of us out here. Pity I'm too old for you... So you will have to find the other two. Good luck. :tongue:
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