02-03-2013, 01:08 AM
When I see people passionate about pro-life being different then I'll change my opinion on them. Right now there's no other honest way for me to see them. I've said why and what it comes down to is this: the life is sacred to them only while in the womb (and even before!), but not after, and the idea of helping struggling single mothers after is downright offensive to many of them.
What's stupid to me is comparing my reasoned assertion to their saying the fight for marriage equality is so we can have orgies and molest boys. Last time I checked one didn't have to be married for that, marriage doesn't help in orgies and other debauchery, and generally speaking marriage makes all that harder and even riskier in legal terms.
In addition, most gay groups publicly denounce NAMBLA and the like, much the same way as many of the people I made my statement about (and stand behind) denounce Westboro Baptist (which, btw, is why I don't ever equate them with the majority, because the majority has clearly spoken in condemning them, which proves they can condemn what I condemn IF THEY WANT to). Another thing the churches and evangelicals can do to change my mind is to remove pedophile priests instead of aiding & abetting their crimes, work to create charities to help single mothers not feel so abandoned (I don't see it as ironic that Sweden has less abortion than we do because there's a social system in place so that being a single mother doesn't destroy their lives), decide that people who rape or otherwise abuse children (regardless of whether it's het or homo in nature) is more deserving of death than gays (or at least going after the child abusers and those who arm children and the genocide with as much passion). At the very least they could wage a crusade against rape culture as vigorously as against abortion (or anything empowering of women), and when they attack a child for getting an abortion that they came down just as hard on the rapist (so if they excommunicate one then they excommunicate the other). Hell, just enough laity on blogs affirming their strong stance on being pro-life but calling the churches on their insanity & hypocrisy as well as "solutions" like forcing all women who have a miscarriage to be checked to make sure it wasn't an abortion (and also call to vote these people out, stop supporting their organizations with money until they straighten up, etc) would make me reconsider. (Btw, I only mean to refer to those passionately pro-life, not people associated with them like this). Until I see that happen, however, I stand by what I said.
What's stupid to me is comparing my reasoned assertion to their saying the fight for marriage equality is so we can have orgies and molest boys. Last time I checked one didn't have to be married for that, marriage doesn't help in orgies and other debauchery, and generally speaking marriage makes all that harder and even riskier in legal terms.
In addition, most gay groups publicly denounce NAMBLA and the like, much the same way as many of the people I made my statement about (and stand behind) denounce Westboro Baptist (which, btw, is why I don't ever equate them with the majority, because the majority has clearly spoken in condemning them, which proves they can condemn what I condemn IF THEY WANT to). Another thing the churches and evangelicals can do to change my mind is to remove pedophile priests instead of aiding & abetting their crimes, work to create charities to help single mothers not feel so abandoned (I don't see it as ironic that Sweden has less abortion than we do because there's a social system in place so that being a single mother doesn't destroy their lives), decide that people who rape or otherwise abuse children (regardless of whether it's het or homo in nature) is more deserving of death than gays (or at least going after the child abusers and those who arm children and the genocide with as much passion). At the very least they could wage a crusade against rape culture as vigorously as against abortion (or anything empowering of women), and when they attack a child for getting an abortion that they came down just as hard on the rapist (so if they excommunicate one then they excommunicate the other). Hell, just enough laity on blogs affirming their strong stance on being pro-life but calling the churches on their insanity & hypocrisy as well as "solutions" like forcing all women who have a miscarriage to be checked to make sure it wasn't an abortion (and also call to vote these people out, stop supporting their organizations with money until they straighten up, etc) would make me reconsider. (Btw, I only mean to refer to those passionately pro-life, not people associated with them like this). Until I see that happen, however, I stand by what I said.
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