Tyler Wrote:He has my best interest in mind. Whatever he decides will be what is best for me. I know God will make me happy, he always has/does/ and will.
Is that why God made you gay? :confused:
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Pix Wrote:Is that why God made you gay? :confused: I do not understand.
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Yeah, Pix, WTH? You make it sound miserable to be gay.
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Tyler, like I said before, I was raised Southern Baptist, and we all know their stances on homosexuality. And to top that, I was born and raised in the southern part of the US, "the Bible Belt, redneck capital of the world." So when I started going through puberty and found my attraction turning to guys instead of girls, I was scared to death!!
So for years I suppressed and repressed my feelings for guys, as best I could. I made deals with God, promising Him that I would serve Him in what ever capacity He asked if he would take the gay away. I served as Youth and Music Minister for several churches, read my Bible, and all the while I found myself more and more attracted to the guys I would meet.
So I took it one step further and married a woman, thinking this was just a phase I was going through an if I got married it would go away. Guess what! It didn't. The whole time I was married I was still attracted to guys. And I wasn't happy in my marriage. Even once the kids came into the picture (and the oldest was from her first marriage and I adopted him) it just didn't feel right.
So I tried to make it work for 13 years, but I was miserable the whole time. We fought all the time. She even asked me several times if I was gay. Of course I would deny it. I'd even get pissed off when she would ask cause I was still trying to cover it all up and make it go away. But it just wouldn't.
So I finally got tired of living a lie and told the truth. Of course it "wrecked" several lives and caused our divorce. But honestly, since I came out and accepted who I am I am happier. I spent several months reconciling my sexuality with what I was taught from an early age. I even asked God that if He hated gays so much, why didn't he just kill me? And the answer I got, in a still small voice (yes I believe God can still speak directly to us) was "I don't hate you. I love you just the way you are."
So I started reading and studying, and what I found was the exact things that Matthew Vines talks about in his speech. God created us with desires and needs and I truly believe that to love someone of the same gender and to "act upon that love" is just as natural as if it were for the opposite gender. And I truly believe that acting upon our feelings for someone regardless of their gender is not a sin.
So I say all of that to say that if you chose to remain abstinent for the rest of your life that is your choice. I would just hate to see anyone go through life not knowing the love of someone who truly cares for them.
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Pix Wrote:Is that why God made you gay? :confused:
I think a couple of you misinterpretted this...read it again in the correct context
Quote:He has my best interest in mind. Whatever he decides will be what is best for me. I know God will make me happy, he always has/does/ and will.
Interperetation ...He has your best interests in mind therefore he designed you gay, it is what is best for you. If you accept yourself for the way you were born/created, god will make sure that you are happy like he always has/done/ and will
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dfiant Wrote:I think a couple of you misinterpretted this...read it again in the correct context
Interperetation ...He has your best interests in mind therefore he designed you gay, it is what is best for you. If you accept yourself for the way you were born/created, god will make sure that you are happy like he always has/done/ and will
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That.  mile:
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Tyler,
I am going to present a series of thoughts, these do not have to be answered, but they deserve a thought.
If sexuality is a choice, how come no one asks heterosexuals when they chose to be heterosexual?
If hate, bigotry, and prejudice were natural, why do we learn those behaviours rather than be born with them?
If your God created you, why wouldn't he accept you for who you are and why wouldn't want you to accept yourself for who you are?
Who wrote the bible? Who wrote biographies about Elvis after 1977?
Is God a part of you or are you a part of God?
If love is the ultimate, why would it be limited to opposite genders?
If God created all life, why do male penguins form life long same sex partnerships?
Do penguins have a word for homosexual?
Do Penguins bash gay penguins and reject them because the bible says those acts are unnatural?
Yes, I am agnostic but I do not use my beliefs to influence yours or anyone else's beliefs, I am 100% fine with your beliefs, what I am not happy with is seeing you so confused.
the answer is 42 
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High Tyler, (my name as well) I honestly don't have much to say that others haven't buy to simply say...
I was in your shoes about 2 years ago, up until then I had dated nothing but women, and the only sexual relationship I allowed myself to even consider was with women, that being said I knew for a long while I was attracted to men, more so than women. I was very big into church, even preached a lesson or two to the youth groups and shared some struggles I'd been through. It wasn't until some new members to my church showed up, a lesbian couple, that I started to question what I had been taught. The church didn't try and change them, didn't condemn them, just loved them, I asked my pastor about it (all while keeping my sexuality a secret) and he surprised me by simply saying sin is sin, no one is greater than the other and love is love, we ended up having a long discussion that changed me in a lot of ways, he stated he didn't feel it was a sin, and that if God is truly love who is he to judge who's allowed to love who.
All this time I'd spent years feeling alone I decided to change how I pray, instead of asking for the women that would make me whole I started asking for the person, shortly after I met my boyfriend, turned out he was praying the same and is a very strong Christian so we mesh well together. The love we share is amazing and strong, we work together, never fight, and take care of each other, does that sound like I'm wrong or soothing that wasn't meant to be? He helped me through one of the lowest points in my life and I truly don't know if I'd still be here if not for him, before I was full of self loathing and ashamed of my attraction to men so much so I tried to change it and force it out if me, now I know who I am and have started taking steps to actually coming out to my family, a tough one because they do not believe gay is ok or that we should be allowed to be married.
I guess my only advise is don't give up god doesn't want you unhappy
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The thing that amuses me is that most people who think that homosexuality is a sin have been told that and did not come to the conclusion on their own.
Have you read the full bible and decided for yourself which parts should be taken literally and which parts are merely stories where is is the message or meaning behind the words that are the important part?
Or are you following the church - an institution that specifically chooses which parts of the bible to focus on in order to gain power through the manipulation of people.
I dislike quoting the bible to prove a point but i think this is somewhat apt Mathew 15
"Thus you nullify the word of God for the sake of your tradition. 7 You hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you:
8 “‘These people honor me with their lips,
but their hearts are far from me.
9 They worship me in vain;
their teachings are merely human rules
So God says to love one another and yet "Tradition" says that only men and women should be married.
Maybe we need to give up what these tired old religions traditions and go back to the fundamental message.
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Bravo for all that's been said!! For I feel the best in your young life is yet to come as you have said you are going to put things in His hands.
Many have said; "These are the best years of life." as we grow from adolescence to adulthood: and I some times wonder why they say this?
But then as I look back, it did have a lot to do with my sexuality.
Learning to love yourself and others, the feelings of pleasure and pain, fun time, both good and bad; the things that made your heart, soul and body come alive, and that you feel you never will forget; Some times I wish I knew then what I know now was going to make me what I am today; A Lover of both males and females for what they are.
BG
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