Straight guys and gay sex?

[Virge]

We all know there are loads of straight guys who don't really fit into the bisexual definition who have had or are having sex with guys either straight or gay. The older gay men I know swear there are more of them than there are openly gay men. Some of the situations I've been in with straight guys coming around trying to get me to make moves on them makes me think there might be something to the wisdom of the older guys. I've been approached by more fine straight guys in the past 4 years than gay guys.

So let's hear what you have to say.

[Undreamt]

its a well known fact that you get more participants with research surveys if you ask for men who have sex with men, than if you ask for gay volunteers.

[Evan]

Straight guys don't have sex with other guys. If they do, then they're not straight. Simple as that.

[East]

When I was a slut....the majority of the men I had sex with were straight. I wasn't looking for straight men at all but they would show up at the club and it was a joke because they would gravitate toward me every time....

I have heard people try to tell me what I was thinking...or what I was doing....or who I am...or who they were...and I grin because they don't understand they are talking about themselves and not me.....

I know exactly what attracted me to them. I was pretty much emotionally unavailable and so were they! It is really that simple. I wanted to fuck with no strings...so did they.

I never had to deal with them yelling at me for not calling them or throwing an ashtray at me because they thought we were connected after we f*cked...or locking me in their bedroom where I had to escape out the window ...or chasing me down the freeway at over 100 MPH to get a date after I said no...or telling me who I talked to and what I ate for two weeks prior to me "meeting" them in an effort to "impress me" (YIKES)...or fighting with another guy because they washed my glasses and it was "their job"...or asking me who I was talking to...or why I flirted with that guy...or telling me we belonged together because we "looked good together" (eek)....or hiding in the bushes near my steps and me having to call the police at 3 AM because they thought I was "cute"....

I could go on for pages but the bottom line....straight guys wanted sex...only sex...so did I at the time. A perfect match.

I also didn't like anyone who focused on my looks. It inhibited me and it made me uncomfortable. For sex...gay guys tend to focus on looks where the straight guys didn't....I definitely appreciated that.

[Adam]

I gotta say that the behavior of many straight guys is something that's always pissed me off a little. A lot of them seem to think it's somehow cool to flirt with gay guys - my BF has this straight friend, and just about everything he says to me is an innuendo and he's always touching me. My BF says cut him some slack, he's trying to be friendly and doesn't quite know how, so I haven't kicked him in the balls - but it annoys the hell out of me. It's happened with many other straight guys, and I've often wondered what would happen if I responded and wanted to take them up on it. If we ran around coming on to random straight guys they would probably freak.
I had one sexual experience with a straight guy when I was 18 and before, during and after he kept parroting "...but I'm NOT gay...".
Life is too short to deal with neurotic hangups. ..

[Virge]

East, your experience with straight men sounds exactly like the older guys that I was talking about! They said most of them preferred bottoming, no kissing ---- just come over, get naked, get fucked, shower and get back to straight lives. They insist these guys aren't bisexual or few and far between.

Adam, I'm with you on getting annoyed with straight guys doing their best to be flirty and get on my nerves just like you're talking about. I have a straight best best friend of 8 years living with me. Back in the marines I crushed on him so hard it hurt. He's one sexy mofo and knows it. It doesn't help matters that he and I are constantly pranking each other (I mean world class pranks) Most of the pranks have some sort of sexual or genital aspect to them. A couple of months ago I found pieces of his naturally ORANGE pubic hair in the razor I use for my face. I threw the razor out and got another. I figured he was did it to get me fired up. Then a few weeks later I found more of his hair in my razor and was pissed. I videoed me filling up his coffee brewer with a healthy first of the morning bladder full of piss ---- then after he drank 2-3 cups and was on his way to work, emailed the video to him with a close up of his hair in my razor. The big thing last week was him and his prostate infection. He was walking around the house like he was dying in pain begging me to massage his prostate. Sorry fucker! LOL.

Evan, there's more gray areas to human sexuality than jusy -- gay-bi-straight --- it's not as simple as that.

[East]

East, your experience with straight men sounds exactly like the older guys that I was talking about! They said most of them preferred bottoming, no kissing ---- just come over, get naked, get fucked, shower and get back to straight lives. They insist these guys aren't bisexual or few and far between.

Yup! They almost all loved to bottom...no kissing...no oral....my perfect match! A few liked to top...another perfect match I don't do oral.....

They are definitely straight men...no question at all in my mind. I know with at least a few of them they wanted to know what their wife or girlfriend felt...like a fetish with them...it worked for me.

Funny thing though...none of them ever told me they were straight...It never came up. I am not into labels very much anyway and I think sexuality is waaaayyyyyyy more complex than we know.

Oh yeah...a lot of the straight guys I know LOVE to flirt....

[Virge]

Dang! Sounds like you met the exact same guys my older gay friends were talking about! The reason this came to my mind is I think I have one of them trying to seduce me into seducing him. It's not like he's stalking me or anything but he's just too focused on me and arranging to run into me (always after dark) and always commando in jogging shorts. It's not like he can live in this town and know people I talk with everyday and not know already I'm gay --- so ---- it could be only one thing.

[Evan]

Evan, there's more gray areas to human sexuality than jusy -- gay-bi-straight --- it's not as simple as that.

That's true, but it doesn't change my statement that guys who are actually willing to have sex with guys are not straight. All of my friends are straight, and most of them would never, EVER have sex with another guy. Even if we were drunk out of our minds and I'd be the last person on earth, I'm pretty sure they would still say hell no. They cringe at the idea. Those guys are straight.

Then there are two 'straight' friends who I'm pretty sure in the right situation, be it because they're drunk, or extremely horny, or whatever, could be convinced to try some stuff with other guys. Those guys are at least somewhat (but more than likely a little more) bi. They may identify as straight, but they're not. They're not like my 'real' straight friends. Of course I don't tell them this; if they wanna go by the label straight, they have every right to. (And they even may never do anything with a dude at all.)

So the 'straight' guys that approach you aren't really straight; they're like my two 'straight' friends. There are 'real' straights out there that would never approach you. That's what I'm trying to say.

I do know it's not as black and white as straight - bi - gay, though. In fact a lot of people probably fall somewhere in between.

[Virge]

Evan,
I think East can do a better job than I can of explaining this than I can. I'm totally in the dark about and thought the older gay guys who told me this were just making up stuff... but I've seen things that make me wonder.