worldwide viewpoints allowed; broadmindness is welcomed

[questioning9]

i think all men do it, regardless of race, religion, marital status, and regardless of what they say.

actually, it is unhealthy not to do it, and most men's doctors advise to do it for health reasons (prostate). spermatogenesis occurs on a continual basis throughout a man's life. it's not a waste, it's meant to be replenished and reproduced. (unless you think you can actually father millions of babies, it is not an argument to claim it is a waste). the ancients who came up with this speculation only thought it viable because they didn't know any better.

regardless of all this, even if i didn't know these facts, i trust my body and my physical sensations above everything else in life. they are my guide in life and have proven to be absolutely correct. my body tells me what is good by pleasurable sensations and what is bad through noxious stimuli. it is the mind that pollutes the body, not the other way around. (this thread is a prime example of such a case).

I usually don't feel comfortable sharing with this and I certainly do not want to tell anyone this, but I have a friend who has had a lower back pain issue and he claims it is due to masturbation. I don't know why, but he does. This is a wake-up call and a warning sign that something isn't right. Just because something isn't written in the medical journals does not mean it's not right.

Science is always evolving, changing, and always developing and new evidence can always modify the old ones. Suppose one day the theory that masturbation actually reduces prostate cancer becomes flawed, and instead actually increases prostate cancer. What do you suppose would happen to the men who have overstimulated themselves to this point? I mean, haven't you ever thought of it this way? If so, wouldn't you feel you have been lied to in a way or that you might have been misinformed to a certain extent? Think about it. Science is not always definitive and while there are solid evidence to support your claims that it is a healthy act, they are not stubborn facts. Keep that in mind.

[questioning9]

Well I think the key thing here is "taoists." In my opinion it is no different than in Christian religion saying masturbation is a sin.

Scientifically there are health benefits but mind you those are in controlled studies and don't include individual cases...like the guy who jerks off 6 times a day.

My experience. The most I have ever masturbated in a 24 hour period was probably around 6 times and I later regretted it lol my dick was kind of sore that all that. More times you try to masturbate (and mind you with ejaculation) the longer it usually takes so there's an increased likelihood of chaffing.

Normally I might masturbate once a day, sometimes I don't for 2-3 days, then I might do it 2-3 times in a day. I seem to go through horny cycles.

My guess is that Asians might find out hard core porn totally disgusting?

Well, depending on who you ask. IF you ask women regardless of race, most would be disgusted by the fact that porn is disgusting. I personally feel that any heterosexual porn--I assume this exist, even though I never watched it--is disgusting if you portray a woman as a submissive individual who is only being used for men's sexual pleasure. That's just my opinion. If it's gay porn, and both men are having sex, then it's no big deal. I just find it harder to objectify women than I would men. Men are meant to be objectified. Women, I don't know about that. I certainly don't want to see them like that. By the way, I am not interested in women so I have no interest in viewing women in those situations. Sorry.

[questioning9]

i think all men do it, regardless of race, religion, marital status, and regardless of what they say.

actually, it is unhealthy not to do it, and most men's doctors advise to do it for health reasons (prostate). spermatogenesis occurs on a continual basis throughout a man's life. it's not a waste, it's meant to be replenished and reproduced. (unless you think you can actually father millions of babies, it is not an argument to claim it is a waste). the ancients who came up with this speculation only thought it viable because they didn't know any better.

regardless of all this, even if i didn't know these facts, i trust my body and my physical sensations above everything else in life. they are my guide in life and have proven to be absolutely correct. my body tells me what is good by pleasurable sensations and what is bad through noxious stimuli. it is the mind that pollutes the body, not the other way around. (this thread is a prime example of such a case).

I really don't think that all men do it. I think that those from third world countries don't. I do not have evidence to support this. I know that in Africa, some guys ingest the semen of elders for male rituals, but other than that, I doubt it is prevalent in Far East Asia. To be honest with you, if you are living in a country where hunger is common, and resources are not abundant, you obviously would focus on hunger and clean water and other things more than you would fulfilling a sexual desire. I am sure that the desire for food overrides the need or desire to have sex in those cases. That's just my theory. By theory, I don't mean a verified explanation, but a guess with unfounded claims.

[questioning9]

Well I think the key thing here is "taoists." In my opinion it is no different than in Christian religion saying masturbation is a sin.

Scientifically there are health benefits but mind you those are in controlled studies and don't include individual cases...like the guy who jerks off 6 times a day.

My experience. The most I have ever masturbated in a 24 hour period was probably around 6 times and I later regretted it lol my dick was kind of sore that all that. More times you try to masturbate (and mind you with ejaculation) the longer it usually takes so there's an increased likelihood of chaffing.

Normally I might masturbate once a day, sometimes I don't for 2-3 days, then I might do it 2-3 times in a day. I seem to go through horny cycles.

My guess is that Asians might find out hard core porn totally disgusting?

I have a friend who is also Asian himself and he told his father about this act and he said if you don't stop you are going to not be able to reproduce. I am just saying I believe them. I really do. I am not full on Asian. When you say Asian, you tend to imply that I am someone from Far East Asia or Southeast Asia, which I am not. Although I may have descended from such peoples, I am not one of them. I am from the U.S. so technically I am not even Asian in a sense, but that I am of Asian descent. If you know what I mean. I don't like identifying as Asian sometimes. No offense, but self-hatred is pretty common among some Asian women and men.

[questioning9]

Well personally i think 99% of what all religions say is bull shit... and i think masturbation is totally normal and a good thing, if it wasn't a good thing then it wouldn't feel good yea yea, why do we get fat then? well because our bodies aren't used to having as much food as it wants, back in the days (hundreds of years ago in most of europe) it would have to eat as much as it could when it got the oppertunity, so that if it didn't get enough food for some time it would be able to survive on the overeating it did before and you aren't wasting semen, do you even know how much semen a normal guy produces DAILY?about 1000, and i'm pretty sure you dont want to make 1000 women pregnant daily, cuz if all of us had to do that... well let's just say there wouldn't be enough women + why should gay men then produce semen if it's only to make babies? so you're gonna waste it either way, why not get some fun out of it?

and the chances of you being born is one in a trillion. right? Yep, I know. I still am skeptical of the sciences that talk about masturbation as a healthy habit. I really am. I don't think that I can always agree with it. I won't agree with it completely, but I will accept a fact if it is a fact.

[questioning9]

I'm not asian, so take it as a grain of fried rice. lol.

Asians are just naturally non promiscuous. They are very private with their sexualities and keep it behind closed doors and don't showcase it or make a spectacle out of it. That's why porn in Asia is censored. Girls are not called porn stars, they are called Adult Idols, and they normally don't have sex. They will usually do the dishes naked and pour pudding or food on themselves or dance outside in the rain, and this in Japan is considered hardcore porn. There is very few penetration scenes.

It's also why hentai is so big. It's girls with enormous breasts having sex with octopuses and squids and demons, because it's a safer and less perverse method to get sex across is south east asia.

Asians are just cultured by their tiger parents to stay educated and stay away from sex and malicious acts like masturbation and things like that.

Going onto gay asian men masturbating, I have noticed it's rare. I hardly ever see any gay asian porn stars. I can't name any. I can name many black and latino ones.

I don't ever see any asian men on gay tube sites jerking off.

This is very interesting you brought this up and I agree very much.

I agree with you. Most asian men, heterosexual men and others, do not do it. I believe that they don't. I mean, maybe that's why they're so successful. Just kidding. I don't know. semen loss makes you tired, less motivated, and stuff, and lazy, so if you do it, you are wasting it. I'm just saying. If most asian men are not doing it, I wouldn't either. I mean, if it makes you less productive and you are ready go to sleep in the morning when you should be up working out and stuff, then something is wrong. IF it is healthy, in my opinion, it wouldn't make you tired as th ough you are half-dead or half-asleep. Rather, it should boost your energy levels up, not lower it. That's my opinion. If you don't agree with me, I beg to differ then.

[questioning9]

There must be a reason why we (men) are wired to masturbate, and I'm sure it has to be something really instinctive. It's something to do with releasing the semen, rather than keeping it stocked up. We do not have a limited store as is the case with female eggs, so there shouldn't be a problem with ejaculation. I daresay masturbating too often and too much might make you tired or produce too much of the endorphins thus making you a bit of junky to your own chemicals, but what would explain that we invariably develop the habit without necessarily having learnt it from our peers?

Waste should probably not be one of our worries, as I said, the substance is never in short supply, even if to create an actual child the odds are really quite staggering. How many million spermatozoa do we have to ejaculate in a tiny amount of seminal fluid for just ONE of them to fertilise a female egg? All the others are therefore wasted. What should we also think of all the times we try to fertilise a female before that egg is actually there to be fertilised? Scientists look at the figures of those odds and are naturally quite awed, as we should be.

The basic fact of the matter is that we masturbate because it feels good. You can even masturbate and not ejaculate, but it all depends how urgently your body is telling you to get rid of that load, isn't it?
As an addendum, I don't think we'd want to have as many children as each spermatozoon would allow, because we'd soon be overcrowded.

I really think that it is a waste and it is also a way to shorten your lifespan. Just saying. I mean, think about it. One guy once confided in me, even though I would never reveal his name, said that as soon as he did so, or when he had nocturnal emissions, his testicles began to drop. Wonder why. Do you suppose it could be due to low sperm count or anything like that? Why does it shrink back?

[questioning9]

i think all men do it, regardless of race, religion, marital status, and regardless of what they say.

actually, it is unhealthy not to do it, and most men's doctors advise to do it for health reasons (prostate). spermatogenesis occurs on a continual basis throughout a man's life. it's not a waste, it's meant to be replenished and reproduced. (unless you think you can actually father millions of babies, it is not an argument to claim it is a waste). the ancients who came up with this speculation only thought it viable because they didn't know any better.

regardless of all this, even if i didn't know these facts, i trust my body and my physical sensations above everything else in life. they are my guide in life and have proven to be absolutely correct. my body tells me what is good by pleasurable sensations and what is bad through noxious stimuli. it is the mind that pollutes the body, not the other way around. (this thread is a prime example of such a case).

If you combine it with gay porn, wouldn't that be double the dopamine and endorphins you are releasing? I mean, you know chocolates and exercising can release endorphins too you know. So why not substitute it with the latter rather than the former? Why masturbate? They may both release endorphins, but that does not mean masturbation is normal. Think about it. masturbation makes you tired, less alert, the blood rushes to your head and you can't htink clearly. Exercising on the hand boosts your energy up, improves your concentration, helps regenerate damaged tissues, and produces new neurons, and keeps you alert, awake, and alive. The latter is more preferably in my opinion. The question that researchers should ask is: Is masturbation really a healthy act? IF so, why does it have a sleepy effect? Eating fruits and vegetables and exercising can help regulate our moods, boost our energy levels up, clears our minds, improves our concentration and much more, reduces toxicity levels. The other one, i don't know. Take my word for it and quit masturbating. I am not anti-masturbation, but I have to say that people who have done it certainly do not benefit from it and they have quit and their lives are more positive. So I think you all should give it a try. You may at times find yourself feeling depressed, feeling antisocial and a bit paranoid and stuff. It really does affect your perception and much more. Your mood is simply out of balance and you tend to explode and have anger bouts. If I am not wrong, then you might want to take it into consideration. Stopping it for a week and if the results are positive, by all means, continue with the regimen, coupled with exercise and good food and other healthy habits, and you are good to go. That's all you need.

[InbetweenDreams]

I have a friend who is also Asian himself and he told his father about this act and he said if you don't stop you are going to not be able to reproduce. I am just saying I believe them. I really do. I am not full on Asian. When you say Asian, you tend to imply that I am someone from Far East Asia or Southeast Asia, which I am not. Although I may have descended from such peoples, I am not one of them. I am from the U.S. so technically I am not even Asian in a sense, but that I am of Asian descent. If you know what I mean. I don't like identifying as Asian sometimes. No offense, but self-hatred is pretty common among some Asian women and men.

Well your friend's father isn't exactly wrong, mostly wrong yes but if you masturbate frequently it can lower sperm count some. I don't think it is something significant though. However, if I recall correctly, masturbation improves sperm health. I speak based on my reading off of articles which are based on scientific studies...basically I read stuff on the internet that cites scientific sources.

As far as what I meant by Asian, well I mean't that as a generalization, like American could mean Native American, Southern American, Canadian...

I don't know why there is so much self hate, Asians can be quite attractive and talented people... certainly nothing to hate imo.

[Insertnamehere]

Suppose one day the theory that masturbation actually reduces prostate cancer becomes flawed, and instead actually increases prostate cancer. What do you suppose would happen to the men who have overstimulated themselves to this point? I mean, haven't you ever thought of it this way? If so, wouldn't you feel you have been lied to in a way or that you might have been misinformed to a certain extent? Think about it. Science is not always definitive and while there are solid evidence to support your claims that it is a healthy act, they are not stubborn facts. Keep that in mind.

Your argument here is flawed do to simple lack of logical thinking.

Men will not start developing cancer because a journal says it so. A journal says it so IF evidence is found about it.

A great deal of men masturbate. If masturbation enhanced your chances of developing prostate cancer, about 90% of males around the world would have it already

I really think that it is a waste and it is also a way to shorten your lifespan. Just saying. I mean, think about it. One guy once confided in me, even though I would never reveal his name, said that as soon as he did so, or when he had nocturnal emissions, his testicles began to drop. Wonder why. Do you suppose it could be due to low sperm count or anything like that? Why does it shrink back?

Cite me a study, just one, that has proven with data that there is a correlation bewteen masturbation and decreased lifespan.

And, you silly man, testicles are SUPPOSED to drop when you reach a certain age

It's part of pubescent development.

I agree with you. Most asian men, heterosexual men and others, do not do it. I believe that they don't. I mean, maybe that's why they're so successful. Just kidding. I don't know. semen loss makes you tired, less motivated, and stuff, and lazy, so if you do it, you are wasting it. I'm just saying. If most asian men are not doing it, I wouldn't either. I mean, if it makes you less productive and you are ready go to sleep in the morning when you should be up working out and stuff, then something is wrong. IF it is healthy, in my opinion, it wouldn't make you tired as th ough you are half-dead or half-asleep. Rather, it should boost your energy levels up, not lower it. That's my opinion. If you don't agree with me, I beg to differ then.

Again, I don't think they would openly state it to you. Doesn't mean they don't.

I don't now about the rest but masturbation hasn't prevented me from getting a Biochemistry degree or holding on to a job. Just saying.


Now, this is all that I'm willing to quote for tonight, the sheer stupidity of pretty much everything you're saying here is too much.

I'm sure you're a nice person, but right now you are the equivalent of a guy who's trying to convince everyone that planet Earth is flat and square.