Glee is rubish!!!

[Vigilias]

It's totally poo!

It's just American pap!

[marshlander]

Wonder what the chances are of another Columbine killing spree.

My niece and nephew were students at Columbine High School when that event went down. No repeats, thank you :frown:

I tried hard to watch Glee. Forced myself to watch, but couldn't last longer than ten minutes. Twice I tried, but just couldn't hack it at all. Sorry, not for me.

[Mark]

I tried hard to watch Glee. Forced myself to watch, but couldn't last longer than ten minutes. Twice I tried, but just couldn't hack it at all. Sorry, not for me.

Its a show not for everyone But I sure do LOVE it :biggrin: I even got shadow addicted :eek:

[Cardiganwearer]

I've watched two episodes, one to see what it was people were talking about and the second to confirm that I wasn't mistaken in what I made of the first.

The snappy pace and short scenes, each with an explicit payoff combined with the cardboard characters who are either moustache-twirling evil or too good to be true left me thinking it was actually meant to be a cartoon and that the producers had at the last minute decided to cast it with actors who actually appear rather than just do voices.

Even with my degree of cynicism I can at least commend it for having it's heart in the right place, but all said, it's television, there's so much of it now we've stopped expecting anything really good.

[Mark]

The light heartedness and Evil Characters remind me of Ugly Betty to be fair - Betty too good to be true and wilhelmina the character more evil than evil :tongue: Just figured its how American shows are now.

[jbrowder24]

Glee is the product of heavily commercialized entertainment by the same industry that thinks it can mas-produced music, theater, film, etc and still call it art. Its appeal is base which is why it has such a large following. No insult intended toward you, Twazzle, but its television, and television is rarely a thinking man's entertainment.

I have to disagree to an extent on television. Sure, some stuff is fomulaic or crude, but television can very much be a thinking man's entertainment with great explorations into the human mind and character of man/woman explored. Unlike film, television often gives the chance to see more in-depth the effects of something, and some of the most powerful stuff I've ever seen has been on television - Margo's rape on As the World Turns when I was just a kid; Bailey's alcoholism on Party of Five while I was in high school; shows like Sports Night, Buffy, The Wire, Battlestar Galactica remake; currently shows such as The Good Wife and SVU... and I would include Glee here because it does bring up lots to think about on issues like bullying, popularity/fitting in, etc (though I think their "special" eps on drinking and sex kind of ended up sucking, but the teen pregnancy in season 1 and Santana's confusion in season 2 were played well).

Okay, so I guess I also agree with you that a lot of popular shows aren't thinking men's entertainment - I already mentioned Jersey Shore (which I've never seen) but also CSI: Miami; Two and a Half Men; Bravo's Housewives series; etc. But television has always been my favorite medium for its power to explore issues over time and I definitely quibble with those that only see TV as junk

[Cardiganwearer]

There may be good television about, but it needs to be considered in the context of the thousands of hours put out worldwide each day. There probably isn't another art form/entertainment that has such a poor ratio of rubbish to quality.

Also, those bits of television that do make a point, and I'm thinking of drama in particular, make that point because the producers have made it issue driven. At one stage, back in the day (and I'll concede that my memory may be coloured somewhat on this) issues arose out of character and narrative. For a (poor) example of the subversion of this principle, off the top of my head, My Family, a british sitcom (created by an American) has run 11 seasons, ten too many in a lot of people's view. One of the characters came out as gay in series 10, apropos of nothing with nothing in his former story to suggest this.

Drama producers just do this nonsense and get away with it. The reason this stuff gets watched and people like it is that we all like narrative, we turn our own experiences and those of other people into stories to help us understand the world about us; narrative is central to our perception of our world. Then these people go and f%ck about with it, is it any surprise that the world becomes more dystopian day by day?

Sorry, got into a rant there, finished nowmile:

[jbrowder24]

I guess I don't see how it's different than books or film? Tons of romance novels, straight up legal thrillers, etc for books; tons of popcorn fluff for movies... and yet TV gets a bad rap? I'd say there's an equal amount good versus bad. There's probably more good theatre just because it's a more limited venue and stuff gets more weeded out, and music is harder to compare in terms of the impact a story can have but certainly there's lots of bad in with the good there too!

[72jay]

Wonder what the chances are of another Columbine killing spree.

My niece and nephew were students at Columbine High School when that event went down. No repeats, thank you :frown:

They were lucky and escaped (at least physically) unharmed tho right?
I live within a mile of the school at the time when that all went down. and still remember that day :eek: and all the memorial stuff left in the park following it.

I agree there on No repeat / never again.

[Synaesthete86]

As for Britney not being great - she was massive and something the world had never experienced, the amount of press on her, the way her life spiralled, the way she broke boundries she is a 'Mega star' if there ever was one !

Really? You're telling me this is a good thing? The fact that all this happened to her, and it has been witnessed all around the world like some kind of soap opera, publicity... this is a good thing? Bad stuff like this happens in the world to people all the time... MINUS the press. I'm surrounded by people in difficult (sometimes dire) situations every day in my work. The only reason Britney got press is because she is an "attractive" "singer". Neither of which are true. She is just another carbon copy popstar wise, and another victim of fame. No dignity, no pride, no privacy. But apparently we love that kind of thing these days... it is what makes for "great entertainment"... it is what makes a "mega star" I feel sorry for her, this is not positive. I don't look at her as a mega star, something the world should be greatful for. Unless, I suppose, you could look at her as an example of "what not to do".

As for Glee, I have never felt compelled to get into it.